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Why does apple have to be so arrogant?

#81
Dave Grossman said:
I think it's because hardcore mac users consider their mac to be part of their personality. That's why they put those Apple stickers and their cars and stuff. So other mac users can recognize them. It's like a cult. It's not enough to have a web page with all their art and music and stuff. They also have to have those "made on a mac" icons too.

Just yesterday a friend's girlfriend somehow worked her mac into a conversation. Not sure how that happened. I prefer to base my personality on things that I create myself and not things that other people create for me.

- Dave
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Oh, sure... blame it on the Mac owners! The bad 'tudes go both ways (and I'm speaking as someone who's been PC only). Being as how there are so few Mac users, it's no surprise that they feel overwhelmed by anti-Mac sentiment. On that note, Mac users are no more "cultish" than Linux users. And cliquishness is a typical and logical reaction of a minority when oppressed by the majority. :p
 
#82
Dave Grossman said:
I think it's because hardcore mac users consider their mac to be part of their personality. That's why they put those Apple stickers and their cars and stuff. So other mac users can recognize them. It's like a cult. It's not enough to have a web page with all their art and music and stuff. They also have to have those "made on a mac" icons too.

Just yesterday a friend's girlfriend somehow worked her mac into a conversation. Not sure how that happened. I prefer to base my personality on things that I create myself and not things that other people create for me.

- Dave
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I can honestly say that I've never seen an Apple sticker on a car or on things that are non-computer related.

Anyway, the defensiveness is not just related to Macs, I see it here with Linux too. Someone has a problem with a computer using OS A and people start chiming in about how they really have to have OS B and other jump in with OS C and then it seems to spiral from there.

Besides, what you've described are what I call fanboys and I don't pay much attention to those people. I don't know how similar it is to a cult though.
 
#83
flawop said:
well you guys know what... games truly are bad these days! graphics don't mean much to me!! i really do believe that in the past there was much more love put into a game because there were smaller teams working on them. now you can easily have a 300+ team on one game.

i don't game anymore, i don't console game... actually i've thought about getting an n64 again to play mario and banjoo kazooie and stuff... but anyway...

besides if you're gonna game it's not worth having to constantly upgrade and spend thousands on a computer when you can go buy the wii or something for 250 and never have to upgrade.

the gaming argument isn't a strong one anymore.
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+1.

I've been a PC gamer for many years now, but I find it tedious to constantly upgrade my PC just to keep up with the latest and greatest bling bling (i.e. graphics). Many of the top PC games are released on console as well. Sure, the console versions often have inferior graphics, but that's no longer a big deal to me. I prefer the convenience of paying $60 each for this year's games, instead of $60 per game plus $300-500 for the hot rod graphics card necessary to produce the best eye candy from this year's games. Not to mention $1500-$3000 for a gaming PC, if my current PC is more than 2-3 years old.
 
#84
duo8675309 said:
I just saw their new commercial with the windows and mac guys. They hardly used any metaphors at all in this one. They just blatantly said how vista required too much for most PC's. Honestly that makes me think really lowly of macs. Even if they are better (which I don't think they are) they don't need to be a-holes about it.
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Getting back to the OP, what do you mean they hardly used any metaphors? Do you know what a metaphor is? The entire commercial was a metaphor, comparing upgrading your OS to major surgery, the PC guy was wearing a hospital gown, talking about "messing with my insides", etc.

You can see the ad here (click on "Surgery"):
http://www.apple.com/getamac/

I thought it no more "a-hole"-ish than any of their other ads. Having upgraded a PC's OS before, I thought it was actually pretty accurate -- some PCs have a lot of trouble surviving the upgrade. Plus, Vista is about to get a LOT of media coverage since it's being released in the next week or so. I don't blame Apple for making an attempt to counter that.

By the way, you guys might enjoy the "I'm a Wii, and I'm a PS3" spoof commercial. It's very...uh...entertaining! :)
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#87
joeyl said:
AVG makes an excellent free anti virus. Like animal viruses you may be infected without knowing ;)

Unless you are an IT pro and you can detect spoofed processes running in your pc.

I don't like using Macs because I cannot tweak them like I do with my PC, that's all
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I run no software in the background, stealing up my resources, but I do use several program to check on occasion. I use AVG, Trend Micro, and occasionally Panda. I've always had a clean bill of health.




...Knock on wood! :)
 
#88
Some Mac products are good, but I hate the whole cult of personality that surrounds the brand.

The fact that Apple comes out with some good stuff does not automatically mean that everything else suXXors. The ads play off a false dichotomy. And yeah, as Slate's Ad Report guy mentions, John Hodgman is a more sympathetic character than Justin Long.

If I were casting that ad, I'd replace Justin Long with Ron Livinston, the guy who plays "Peter" from "Office Space." That would get the message across. Too bad Sprint/Nextel got him.
 
#91
Geoff St. Germaine said:
Anyway, the defensiveness is not just related to Macs, I see it here with Linux too. Someone has a problem with a computer using OS A and people start chiming in about how they really have to have OS B and other jump in with OS C and then it seems to spiral from there.
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Of course, one of those is free and won't lock you in to your vendor's hardware.

It boggles my mind that people are so proud of their Macs (or other Apple products, such as iPods) despite what are (to me) obvious glaring flaws.

I'm a Linux user myself, but I feel that Linux's flaws are a) mending and b) not "evil" flaws or stupid flaws. They're just irritating things that no one has managed to fix yet.
 
#92
Linux is definately the wave of the future. Once more games become viable on Linux (because by that time hardware will be a non-issue), I'm switching over permanently. Screw Vista. Last version I tried was I think Red Hat, and the interface wasn't much different than Windows. It was pretty good in general, just that it didn't have much support for games. That will change eventually, though.
 
#95
flawop said:
what's wrong with ipods? can't afford one?
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If that were the case I'd be complaining about every mp3 player. iPods are okay, although I've yet to note any stellar features. Their main problems are the fact that they don't simply show up as a removable drive like nearly every other player (I don't think I need to explain why that's bad) and the paucity of their format support. Not supporting FLAC, the best way to archive your digital audio, on a device with gigabytes of storage space is lunacy, in my opinion.
 
#99
Ok, sorry for the posts in near succession, but I just thought of this, so bare with me...

Operating systems and computers are just like any other merchandise. Just like I love that fat, warm sound from tubes amps, others might like a cleaner, more hi-fi sound. Every time I ever see a Mac vs. PC vs. Linux vs. Unix vs. OS/2 vs. OS of Doom etc. etc., it seems most people deal in absolutes. When, really, it's no different than our bass gear, or furniture for that matter. I know what I like and what suits my needs and expectations best. I assume you guys know or are finding out what also suits you best. No OS is better than any other, just like my old Mesa 400+ is no better than a Thunderfunk if it is providing me the tone and features I want.

I think Mac users get defensive because we are the minority and feel a little intimidated. There's also a perceived attitude from PC users where Mac users often feel dismissed. When, really, OS X has some strengths and weaknesses just like any other man made tool. Mac users are guilty of generalities too.

So, I guess what I'm saying (trying to keep this short this time) is that my OS X provides me with all of the features I want and I feel the price is justifiable whereas your Linux or Windows or whatever is the same to you. I can respect your choice to use whatever amp, bass, effect, or OS, so could you please respect mine?
 

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