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Why is the 1000 ASP ICE module not more popular?

#382
StayLow said:
Just my 2c for balance in re: Markbass. I've run my LMII nearly flat-out so often (gain so the blue clipping LED is often on, Master near max, EQ around "flat") and never an issue over years of doing so. On occasion into 2.67 Ohms with gain & master about halfway up. That amp's been physically knocked around a lot too. Super solid.

My TTE500 has run for long nights into 4 Ohms maxed the same way (LED on fire, Master full-on, EQ "flat") and never an issue. No experience with their other amps.
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Question, isn't the LMII a class A/B amp?
 
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Punchy:

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Slam:

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jnewmark said:
Wow, " SLAM " must be the new TB buzzword. I've been trying to figure out just what " Punchy " means for years, and whether or not my rig has it; now I have to deal with whatever " Slam " means ? Too much stress on this old geezer. :(
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'slam' I've always taken to mean that there's plenty of headroom on the front end of the note envelope. "Punchy" to me is that the note envelope opens up quickly on the front edge.

Any thoughts on this one? I have an amp coming soon based on this unit. Pretty much looking forward to it being a good performer with plenty of slam and punch.

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lo-freq said:
In the case of comparing the Demeter head to the Berg B|Amp, you've got totally different preamps as well.
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I'm here to provide personal opinion as fact. ;)

All the "tone" is from the pre-amp
Yeah, sure - limiting can be added to the power amp, but the best use of any amp is to get tone from the pre-amp.
I for one am glad to see all these modules available for head makers. I'm sure a good design could use several amp modules and result in great tone. Even reference amplifiers based on chip sets are fine. It doesn't matter to me as a consumer which one a maker actually uses, just as long as the tone and reliability are there. The longest and easiest to manage warranty from a maker with a long track history indicates a lot of success by the maker.
 
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J.Wolf said:
This sums it up perfectly for me.
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I generally expect preamps to express punch. My experience is based on not only a bunch of integrated bass heads but also my two preamps, the Monique and the Kern IP777. The Kern doesn't have punch, it's softer on the note envelope opening and to my ear is a little bit slower. The Monique is the opposite. It feels quicker and punchier...that note envelope opens really quickly. As you push the sensitivity control and it starts compressing a bit it gets punchier still.

Running both with my IPR2-3000-DSP means the both have 'slam'. Because there are no headroom issues, the real question will be as I move to a different high wattage amp, will it have more slam, depending on how much power it can exhibit on the front side of that note.
 
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BurningSkies said:
I generally expect preamps to express punch. My experience is based on not only a bunch of integrated bass heads but also my two preamps, the Monique and the Kern IP777. The Kern doesn't have punch, it's softer on the note envelope opening and to my ear is a little bit slower. The Monique is the opposite. It feels quicker and punchier...that note envelope opens really quickly. As you push the sensitivity control and it starts compressing a bit it gets punchier still.

Running both with my IPR2-3000-DSP means the both have 'slam'. Because there are no headroom issues, the real question will be as I move to a different high wattage amp, will it have more slam, depending on how much power it can exhibit on the front side of that note.
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IMO it'll be hard to beat the slam factor of your current amp, but hopefully you can find a smaller and lighter amp that offers the same amount of effortless, instant delivery headroom that creates the visceral slam factor.

FWIW I found the Monique to not be super punchy, compared to other pre's that have a bit more instantaneous feedback. But all is relative, and probably compared to the Kern the Mo is pretty punchy. Also, if you have a punchy bass and very high performance cabs (like you), they all contribute to a very punchy result.

Either way, pretty hard to go wrong with gear of that pedigree. I'm curious if the Hypex does what you need it to, given the demanding nature of the kind of sounds you're going for.
 
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I love 'punch' and am always seeking that leading edge note impact I associate with punch. I also use an Empress comp all the time. It's set pretty mild, but is definitely doing its thing, and if I may be so bold, I think it makes it even punchier.
 
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J.Wolf said:
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IMO it'll be hard to beat the slam factor of your current amp, but hopefully you can find a smaller and lighter amp that offers the same amount of effortless, instant delivery headroom that creates the visceral slam factor.

FWIW I found the Monique to not be super punchy, compared to other pre's that have a bit more instantaneous feedback. But all is relative, and probably compared to the Kern the Mo is pretty punchy. Also, if you have a punchy bass and very high performance cabs (like you), they all contribute to a very punchy result.

Either way, pretty hard to go wrong with gear of that pedigree. I'm curious if the Hypex does what you need it to, given the demanding nature of the kind of sounds you're going for.
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I'm probably the only person who goes 'IEM' then promptly buys another high power amp. ;) I'll be interested to hear if there's a beneficial tone/feel difference. But in the end I'll be just as happy if that's a lateral move and I benefit from a build quality difference. The Monique just has a super fun tube thing happening, it's not as immediate as maybe some of the clinical SS stuff out there, but I don't get the fun factor from those.

The Peavey has been solid and gigged hard. But I tend to go through them every 2-3 years. I've noted a lil' bit of high frequency whine starting to peep at me through my mid...Which tells me it may be on borrowed time. I believe it will be heavier and probably the same size as the IPR2/3K.
 
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BurningSkies said:
I'm probably the only person who goes 'IEM' then promptly buys another high power amp. ;) I'll be interested to hear if there's a beneficial tone/feel difference. But in the end I'll be just as happy if that's a lateral move and I benefit from a build quality difference. The Monique just has a super fun tube thing happening, it's not as immediate as maybe some of the clinical SS stuff out there, but I don't get the fun factor from those.

The Peavey has been solid and gigged hard. But I tend to go through them every 2-3 years. I've noted a lil' bit of high frequency whine starting to peep at me through my mid...Which tells me it may be on borrowed time. I believe it will be heavier and probably the same size as the IPR2/3K.
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After lugging a QSC PLX3602 around, I have no problem with the ICE 1000! Haven't lost a thing except inabliity to do stereo. But that's irrelevant for me so the small format and lighter weight are MAJOR benefits! Nothing lost tonally or in feel/weight of the notes. It just slams.
 
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same here. coming from a CA6 even I miss about 1.5% of what it could do, but lord have mercy the weight and form factor has been such a blessing. I carried an 80lb rack for years, but I'm really happy with this current setup and seemingly haven't compromised hardly anything.
 
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BurningSkies said:
'slam' I've always taken to mean that there's plenty of headroom on the front end of the note envelope. "Punchy" to me is that the note envelope opens up quickly on the front edge.

Any thoughts on this one? I have an amp coming soon based on this unit. Pretty much looking forward to it being a good performer with plenty of slam and punch.

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Great explanation. That's exactly how I see it.
 
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BurningSkies said:
'slam' I've always taken to mean that there's plenty of headroom on the front end of the note envelope. "Punchy" to me is that the note envelope opens up quickly on the front edge.
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Do you mean the acoustical "feel" and listening just to a note or do you mean the actual waveform envelope?
Actual envelope of a note does not automatically match listening impression.

edit, btw, even with electric 6-string sounds there is pretty much of clear "edge" but no more "envelope"
 
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ThisBass said:
Do you mean the acoustical "feel" and listening just to a note or do you mean the actual waveform envelope?
Actual envelope of a note does not automatically match listening impression.
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When people use terms like Punch and Slam they're seldom discussing a waveform. They're talking about real world impression while playing. Punch and slam are not technical terms.
 
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