Right, it’s only useful for what almost all people do ;-)
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Why No Line 6 "BASS CAB"?
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Most PA cabs, especially smaller, 2-way cabs, are purposely designed to trade off a smaller package for reduced low-end response -- the theory being that if you REALLY need additional LF response, you'll add a sub. The full-range switch just typically removes a crossover or HPF filter so the speaker will deliver all of whatever LF it's got. REAL full-range PA speakers could accurately be described as FRFR, given that the term has no real meaning anyway. And I think there are more than a few TB'ers who play through regular ol' QSC K-12's or even smaller and seem to be satisfied. I don't know whether they consider themselves part of the FRFR set or not...as I say, it's just a label.
Thanks guys. I was only asking because I'm seeing more and more modelers adding bass amps. However you can't use many of the same FRFR solutions for bass. The best one I've used is the coaxial Xitone MBritt cab. It was fantastic for both guitar and bass on the Helix. It could handle just about anything as far as bass.
Whether you use IEMs or not, what signal are you sending FOH?
Mic'ing a bass cab, while not unusual by any means, is still the less common approach.
If Im going to use a virtual amp modeler with IRs live, it stands to reason that I wouldn't want a dedicated bass cab but, instead, the smallest most transparent PA i can find for my stage rig ....no different than the transparent Studio monitors I use when using my virtual guitar amps and IRs that I use currently.....anything else is a redundancy that will only further to color the IRs away from what they are supposed to emulate. IMO of course
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Man, that made me feel old. Didn’t seem too long ago that I had a Lowdown 110 as a bedroom amp.
Time goes fast.
The other day The Wife was having a discussion with someone about the year 2,000 Y2K panic.
I said, "That was 20 years ago."
The Wife says, "It was not 20 years ago."
I reply, "What year is it currently?"
The Wife, "Ohhhh... How the **** did that happen?"
I’ve been IEM only for a couple years, but I used a Yamaha dxr10 for a few gigs, and with the hpf set at 100hz it was loud enough for monitoring. I’m pretty sure two of them would carry quite a few gigs with the hpf off. I tend to believe most frfr labeled cabs don’t push a whole lot more low end than a good pa speaker, but I guess I could be wrong.
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Most quality PA cabinets are in fact FRFR, or as a system with a sub and built in processing is FRFR down to a lower frequency.
Sounds like something taken from a marketing blurb. I wonder if that's something that is currently in vogue guitar side right now.
Again, not completely dismissing coaxial, but it's just one trick of many.
No, it very much isn't a new thing. But results-wise I don't know that there is anything that a coaxial driver can do that another well-engineered system cannot.
Coaxial can be smaller in terms of space needed on a baffle... but that's all I got.
There's an old Canadian gun company called cooey - mostly single shot shotguns and bolt action 22s, I think they got bought out by Winchester. At any rate I'm told they may have ALSO made cars at some point.For the same reason Maytag doesn't make automobiles. Oh wait, they did.
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Based on my experience on the guitar side of things, it’s simply AN OPTION that SOME players find their preferred option but I don’t think this is necessarily the BEST option for MANY players. It may be the best option for YOU though.
I'm using modelers for 20 years and coax is not necessary the way to go. Having a coax design has nothing to do with harshness, it's for time phase alignment at closer earring distance. As separate drivers speakers, coax speakers have their own problems too.
Give me a list as I think only Accugroove has powered bass cabs and some nice cabs that can also be used as FRFR (Latte is one of them) as suggested by OP and not in the same price range as Line 6. So we are not talking about a big offering here...
GK has also powered bass cabs but they are flat and need a specific input voltage to work, which is not available from many outboard preamps.
I agree with you on that. I think the best option for now is to use whatever FRFR solution you like and add a small 12" powered sub. I have an EV ZXA1 that's doing a nice job and weighting less than 30lbs it's easy to carry and fit a speaker on top (currently have an EV ZLX12P but I'm looking at the Laney LFR112). The only available cab option for now is an Accugroove Latte, but it's expensive (at least for me).
Speaking in the broadest of generalities, coax horns tend to sound more harsh, IMO, due to the harmonic distortion induced in their inherently smaller conical throats. And the smaller horn dictates higher crossover frequencies, making it more difficult to come up with an accurate 2-way system with a coaxial arrangement. I see more design opportunity in using coaxial drivers as the mid/high part of a 3-way system, or pairing them with a similarly-sized conventional driver to help with low-end extension.
