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Wisdom on Prince from Gene Simmons

We all have skeletons in our closets. Gene mentioned that David Bowie's death was tragic. Bowie was the biggest junkie of all in the 70s. If he had died of a heroin overdose, would that have been pathetic too? Gene has slept with thousands of women, has commitment issues and clearly has a sex addiction. If he had died from HIV/AIDs, would that have been pathetic too? When people die due to decades of dependency, it is sad. Not pathetic.
 
My biggest problem with Simmons is that Prince was not a drunken party boy who died trying to have a good time. If he died the way most think, it was the result of trying to deal with a chronic pain condition. As someone who has dealt with back pain for nearly forty years as the result of being knocked off a motorcycle by a car, I know how pain can take over your life. I got control of the back pain through weightlifting and sit-ups, but it never went away. Now I am looking at replacing both of my knees. This pain is much worse, and is really limiting my mobility. I just teach and clean my lawn, I only imagine what went through Prince's mind as he suffered from pain AND lost the ability to entertain the way he once did. I suspect his plan for a solo piano tour was a way to remake himself in light of his pain.

Definitely sad that Prince left via what will most likely be due to addiction issues, which I am intimately familiar with.
I take issue with the aspect of his back pain, which have no doubt was real. Your motorcycle accident made you reexamine what you do to keep pain from taking over your life. Prince didn't seem to make the connection, inasmuch as his dance routines didn't get any easier, if anything they appeared more rigorous, him being able to accomplish by the drugs masking the pain and the damage.
Every musician's carreer consists of two arcs. The first is his musical ability and the second is their ability to entertain. Stray too much from either and risk becoming a caricature. I believe you are right on the solo tour, but when would the self medicating have stopped?
Keith Emerson was convinced that he could not play at the level he once did. Wonder if it was the loss of some of his finer skills and/or the loss of the entertainment factor that concerned him more. No drugs involved from what I've read.
Elvis had Dr Nick, Prince had his man and why in God's name these people don't travel with Narcan, I'll never know. We can buy legitimate narcotics illegally but no wants to keep Narcan on hand.
Prince will be missed. Won't be a surprise if his behavior was less than admirable, though the entourage that surrounded him must have played some part in at least enabling him.
Gene is the culmination of being involved in music for years and having seen both ends of the spectrum. Sometime he's refreshingly and brutally honest and unfortunately crude but he offers prescient advice for musicians. He also is all about the Benjamins, which can be coarse but humorous.
Still a loss.
 
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Simmons has got to be one of the most egotistical, arrogant people in the music industry. To say something in public about anyone who just passed, so very shameful.


Perfect timing. I've read a number of posts on this thread like the above, and this one came through right when I wondered if I should comment.

Many here are all about defending Prince's addiction issues because it was a response to pain, and we understand pain. Physical pain.
It doesn't matter that Prince had the ability, agency, and means to a) not get hooked, and b) get help when he did. He gets a pass because we like him or his music, or his "contribution to culture." And we know physical pain.

But Simmons on the other hand, is an "ass-hat". His emotional disorders cause behavior that offends the tender sensibilities of those who don't even know him because they don't understand mental health problems. Mental health problems are far more stigmatized than drug problems. So when Simmons mouths off, people don't say "oh, isn't it sad that his emotional problems have atrophied his empathic abilities, I sure wish he and others like him could get help for the sake of his family and friends." And he didn't play bass like Jaco Pastorius (another musician with mental health problems) So, he's an ass-hat. "egotistical, arrogant [...] shameful."

Narcissism is not an epithet you direct at someone with an overdeveloped self image. It's a mental health issue. Had Simmons never been successful with Kiss, he still would be a narcissist. That doesn't make him a bad person, it only means that things that come out of his mouth may reflect an inability to relate to other's thoughts or feelings. In our society, that's a social crime. Drug addiction? oh, poor soul.

Prince was a talented dude whose music I had no inclination to buy. His death was too early and even more sadly, preventable.
Simmons is a talented dude whose music I bought until his creative fire was overtaken by success. With therapy, the discomfort that he causes his family (he has few friends) could be prevented. I wish him well.

As for you, my TB friends: If you're one those who have nothing but "ass-hat" and "shameful" for those that don't have all the screws in their head buttoned down, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself just how compassionate you really think you are?

Of course, you don't have to be compassionate, now do you?
You could just be an ass-hat.

Right?
 
Perfect timing. I've read a number of posts on this thread like the above, and this one came through right when I wondered if I should comment.

Many here are all about defending Prince's addiction issues because it was a response to pain, and we understand pain. Physical pain.
It doesn't matter that Prince had the ability, agency, and means to a) not get hooked, and b) get help when he did. He gets a pass because we like him or his music, or his "contribution to culture." And we know physical pain.

But Simmons on the other hand, is an "ass-hat". His emotional disorders cause behavior that offends the tender sensibilities of those who don't even know him because they don't understand mental health problems. Mental health problems are far more stigmatized than drug problems. So when Simmons mouths off, people don't say "oh, isn't it sad that his emotional problems have atrophied his empathic abilities, I sure wish he and others like him could get help for the sake of his family and friends." And he didn't play bass like Jaco Pastorius (another musician with mental health problems) So, he's an ass-hat. "egotistical, arrogant [...] shameful."

Narcissism is not an epithet you direct at someone with an overdeveloped self image. It's a mental health issue. Had Simmons never been successful with Kiss, he still would be a narcissist. That doesn't make him a bad person, it only means that things that come out of his mouth may reflect an inability to relate to other's thoughts or feelings. In our society, that's a social crime. Drug addiction? oh, poor soul.

Prince was a talented dude whose music I had no inclination to buy. His death was too early and even more sadly, preventable.
Simmons is a talented dude whose music I bought until his creative fire was overtaken by success. With therapy, the discomfort that he causes his family (he has few friends) could be prevented. I wish him well.

As for you, my TB friends: If you're one those who have nothing but "ass-hat" and "shameful" for those that don't have all the screws in their head buttoned down, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself just how compassionate you really think you are?

Of course, you don't have to be compassionate, now do you?
You could just be an ass-hat.

Right?
Gene has commented on mental health issues, too. Gene Simmons' Depression and Suicide Comments Anger Nikki Sixx
But we should give him a pass on all the douchey things he's said, because you have diagnosed him from afar with mental health issues?
 
Gene Simmons on Prince: 'How Pathetic That He Killed Himself'

For all those out there struggling with substance abuse, know that the truth is the opposite of this just world fallacy spouting ass hat.

Let me start out by saying back in 1973 I walked
Out of a
Kiss concert Disgusted. A young Gene Simmons noticed the look on my face so proceeded to walk over look right at me and start wagging that tongue of his at me. I got up and walked out. On my way out of the Long Beach Arena I gave my two third row middle
Seat tickets to a couple of Rabid Teenage Kiss Fans. It made their day. They had no tickets. I would not call gene an asshat for that raises him up to that level and as we all know there are not enough asshats on the carpet.
Doctors who write Rx's for some major Medical institutions are asked/told to write an Rx every 15 minutes. Told to me by a doctor friend. Pharmaceutical Companies are in it for the wealth it brings them. They will never offer you a one dose medication that will cure you! They're not in that business. they do not care what they're doing most of the time and yes their meds are heavy chemicals that are disastrous including causing death to family members friends associates and famous people. Use the Doctor for the mechanics but watch out for what they want to feed you. I was on high blood pressure meds for a couple of years and I started to have a palsy like shake in my left hand. After my insurance ran out I couldn't get the meds anymore and the shaking went away. Yes, Do not abuse the Rx the Doctors give. It's bad enough in the small doses. Add to that bad mixes with other things such as alcohol and you can die. Remedies do grow from the Earth. We can use these for health. That and try to love one another.
 
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...It's a mental health issue...

I think that's a fair point and certainly a possibility. Not something I considered before I made my comment earlier. It is unfortunate that both drug addiction and mental illness are very difficult things for those of us who are lucky enough to not have experienced them to imagine what they're like and empathize with those who do suffer from them.
 
Let me start out by saying back in 1973 I walked
Out of a
Kiss concert Disgusted. A young Gene Simmons noticed the look on my face so proceeded to walk over look right at me and start wagging that tongue of his at me. I got up and walked out. On my way out of the Long Beach Arena I gave my two third row middle
Seat tickets to a couple of Rabid Teenage Kiss Fans. It made their day. They had no tickets. I would not call gene an asshat for that raises him up to that level and as we all know there are not enough asshats on the carpet.
Doctors who write Rx's for some major Medical institutions are asked/told to write an Rx every 15 minutes. Told to me by a doctor friend. Pharmaceutical Companies are in it for the wealth it brings them. They will never offer you a one dose medication that will cure you! They're not in that business. they do not care what they're doing most of the time and yes their meds are heavy chemicals that are disastrous including causing death to family members friends associates and famous people. Use the Doctor for the mechanics but watch out for what they want to feed you. I was on high blood pressure meds for a couple of years and I started to have a palsy like shake in my left hand. After my insurance ran out I couldn't get the meds anymore and the shaking went away. Yes, Do not abuse the Rx the Doctors give. It's bad enough in the small doses. Add to that bad mixes with other things such as alcohol and you can die. Remedies do grow from the Earth. We can use these for health. That and try to love one another.

You win TB for today.
 
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Gene has commented on mental health issues, too. Gene Simmons' Depression and Suicide Comments Anger Nikki Sixx
But we should give him a pass on all the douchey things he's said, because you have diagnosed him from afar with mental health issues?

Why, yes, because we can call him names from afar as well. It's not like his issues aren't obvious. And it's not as afar as you think, I've spoken with him several times.

Gene didn't comment on his own mental health issues in that article but he did demonstrate them.
And why do you think he says douchy things, GregC?
 
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KISS wasn't about "chops"....

....but this bass part isn't exactly easy to nail down either...



Have a go at it and tell me it's lame... start at 0:19 if you need to get right to it.


I can't make it through 19 seconds of any of that poop

Yeah, good ole Gene Simmons, master bassist..."you gotta do it with the beat, Gene"


And this is hilarious - I watched a while back. The guy is a stuffed shirt. Completely lame. I don't kneel to fakers.
 
Yes, we all have skeletons in our closets. I will come clean. When I was in high school I drank a bottle of cough syrup. Could have killed me! I freaked out from the effects and have never done it again. So I'm clean from cough syrup drinking.

Well, Gene did it again. Eight pages later and we're still talking about him! Bravo Gene! :thumbsup: