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Worship Bass Pedalboards

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Bassworship1 said:
If your going to have that much into it you might as well look at the Noble. It powers the other pedals and gives you a preamp built into the Tubey goodness.
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Yeah, but the CIOKS is 1/4 the price of the Noble. I don't need a lot of tubey goodness, the comp is probably plenty for my needs. We'll see how it goes when I do some experimenting. Can always just plug it in with the included adapter. Not as clean but sure is cheaper.
 
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SteveC said:
Right.

Well, maybe I'll try my Sadowsky DI. Just run the bass and treble flat so it's just an active DI...or get a Noble or REDDI. So much money but they seem to be the cats meow these days for tube/active DI's. The RNDI seems nice but it needs phantom power, right? I'm not sure if that's an issue with either of the boards I go through or not.
I mean, the LA-1A sounded great as a DI as well. If it's missing anything I didn't notice, but I haven't tried it any other way either.
Another big purchase might be a little tough right now. I'll try stuff on Sunday and see what happens.
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If the board doesn't have phantom power, there's always something like this:

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There's a lot of great stuff. Lots of options. I'm going to try what I have first - like the Sadowsky Preamp/DI. It's not a Noble, but I own it, and it's a nice DI. And really, the LA-1A is a fine DI with the adapter cable. The reason I am even looking at more options is that a couple people said they thought it was maybe even better using a true DI instead of the 600 Ohm output on the LA-1A. Honestly, it sounded so good that way yesterday at church I don't know if anything was missing by running it that way.
 
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SteveC said:
There's a lot of great stuff. Lots of options. I'm going to try what I have first - like the Sadowsky Preamp/DI. It's not a Noble, but I own it, and it's a nice DI. And really, the LA-1A is a fine DI with the adapter cable. The reason I am even looking at more options is that a couple people said they thought it was maybe even better using a true DI instead of the 600 Ohm output on the LA-1A. Honestly, it sounded so good that way yesterday at church I don't know if anything was missing by running it that way.
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It's important to make sure that when you do the comparisons, that you make sure the levels you are listening at are the same. If running into the Sadowsky or JDI requires more gain at the board, use it so that the comparison is fair. Requiring more gain is not a bad thing unless the additional gain adds noise.
 
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SteveC said:
Yeah, I have to check with our sound guy and see about the phantom power. I'm guessing that they can, but some can't do it by channel. The price is right with the RNDI for sure. I am in no hurry to spend $750+ on an active tube DI. The only reason I'm a little leary of the RNDI is if I run into a situation where phantom power is an issue.

I'm going to try my Sadowsky again. Before I had the LA-1A we liked the way it sounded. I can only imagine the LA-1A will make anything sound even better.
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If you have a DI that requires phantom power and can't get it from the board. You can always get a separate power supply. (I can't imagine why you couldn't on any modern board?)
ART Phantom I 48V Phantom Power Supply
 
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SteveC said:
There's a lot of great stuff. Lots of options. I'm going to try what I have first - like the Sadowsky Preamp/DI. It's not a Noble, but I own it, and it's a nice DI. And really, the LA-1A is a fine DI with the adapter cable. The reason I am even looking at more options is that a couple people said they thought it was maybe even better using a true DI instead of the 600 Ohm output on the LA-1A. Honestly, it sounded so good that way yesterday at church I don't know if anything was missing by running it that way.
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I am of the opinion - particularly in the area of worship gigging, but also in most live scenarios - that when it comes to spending a ton of money on fantastic gear, eventually you reach, "a point of diminishing returns" as someone once called it. As long as you have "decent" or "pretty good" gear (which can be relative), I think the average congregant is not going to notice any difference between you playing through your Sadowsky Pre as a DI vs. playing through something like REDDI or Avalon U5. Maaaaaayyybe a highly trained sound person might notice a difference, but most of us don't have those. After playing for years at my old church with modestly trained sound people, the ONLY time my sound was complemented was when I walked in with a good compressor and a Southampton Ictineo preamp.

To me, the most important factors are technique, a good bass with proper setup, a good compressor, and a solid preamp if you're playing passive basses. Apart from that, any decent DI should do the trick, and the rest is icing on the cake. Most of the rest of what we do we do for our own enjoyment. I will say I have found that the right compressor goes a long way. But in many live scenarios I've gigged in, the sound guy is going to add their own compression to that anyway. So even THAT can become a somewhat moot point.

On the other hand, if you're spending a lot of time in the studio where every nuance of your playing can be heard, I think it makes sense to invest in the best gear possible, so you don't find yourself just plugging into some random studio's direct box and being totally at their mercy.
 
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Neko said:
Ok, thanks.
As we, pagan european, do not go so often at church, no wonder why I never heard of that kind of band. Might be nice to go to this kind of service, all I know here is just that old wanabe electric organ that sound, lets say, a little too solemn.
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Youtube Bethel Worship and you've got a good 40 hours of Worship to soak in. Probably three times that.
 
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jacoby75 said:
I am of the opinion - particularly in the area of worship gigging, but also in most live scenarios - that when it comes to spending a ton of money on fantastic gear, eventually you reach, "a point of diminishing returns" as someone once called it. As long as you have "decent" or "pretty good" gear (which can be relative), I think the average congregant is not going to notice any difference between you playing through your Sadowsky Pre as a DI vs. playing through something like REDDI or Avalon U5. Maaaaaayyybe a highly trained sound person might notice a difference, but most of us don't have those. After playing for years at my old church with modestly trained sound people, the ONLY time my sound was complemented was when I walked in with a good compressor and a Southampton Ictineo preamp.

To me, the most important factors are technique, a good bass with proper setup, a good compressor, and a solid preamp if you're playing passive basses. Apart from that, any decent DI should do the trick, and the rest is icing on the cake. Most of the rest of what we do we do for our own enjoyment. I will say I have found that the right compressor goes a long way. But in many live scenarios I've gigged in, the sound guy is going to add their own compression to that anyway. So even THAT can become a somewhat moot point.

On the other hand, if you're spending a lot of time in the studio where every nuance of your playing can be heard, I think it makes sense to invest in the best gear possible, so you don't find yourself just plugging into some random studio's direct box and being totally at their mercy.
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For sure. I agree. Diminishing returns is certainly a thing. I think the compressor is the biggest thing that changed how we heard things. The tubes maybe helped a bit with some harmonic content. Could I get a less expensive compressor? Sure. But I think the tubes may have warmed up our IEM sound a bit. Compression tightened it up. When the singer (who knows nothing about gear) says something, and your sound guy plays air bass, the change in gear was noticeable.

Im guessing the Sadowsky Preamp/DI will just fill out the tone just a touch.

And as I said, I'd be happy using the DI from the compressor as I did yesterday. I only plan to experiment with gear I currently own - save any power supply decision I might make.
 
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