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Ever read how much profit goes to research organizations after they have a "walk for ______(insert whatever disease)"?

Everyone has to get their cut. And then the funding for your cure? Well, after all that you can afford to cure puddly's worth. That's "how" we DON'T cure them so far.

"Could" comes with a cost. For the guy that invents for the cure, for the distribution, for the replication, for (the perceived) guarantee it'll work.

Money is something a lot of people don't have. And the dollar is king in the business.

Ever taken ANY kind of pathology class? This is the same recycled guv'mint conspiracy stuff. HOW does the disease work? HOW do drugs work? 99.999995 of the time, these blog sites don't comprehend either. How can they propose that Big Pharma has cures if they don't understand diseases or how drugs work?
 
Ever taken ANY kind of pathology class? This is the same recycled guv'mint conspiracy stuff. HOW does the disease work? HOW do drugs work? 99.999995 of the time, these blog sites don't comprehend either. How can they propose that Big Pharma has cures if they don't understand diseases or how drugs work?

That's related to seeing how the disease works.

You can't research if you don't have money. You can not sustain a career studying a disease for free. Do you really think if we DID even produce findings for free, they'd be good ones?

For real, this whole "golden ticket" scheme where we think everyone's tinkering away 24/7 for free to find an answer and believing its only a matter of time is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Nothing lost, nothing gained. It's that simple.
 
That's related to seeing how the disease works.

You can't research if you don't have money. You can not sustain a career studying a disease for free. Do you really think if we DID even produce findings for free, they'd be good ones?

For real, this whole "golden ticket" scheme where we think everyone's tinkering away 24/7 for free to find an answer and believing its only a matter of time is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Nothing lost, nothing gained. It's that simple.

I don't think anyone is saying that doctors and scientists are tinkering 24/7 trying to find cures for diseases for free.
 
That's related to seeing how the disease works.

You can't research if you don't have money. You can not sustain a career studying a disease for free. Do you really think if we DID even produce findings for free, they'd be good ones?

For real, this whole "golden ticket" scheme where we think everyone's tinkering away 24/7 for free to find an answer and believing its only a matter of time is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Nothing lost, nothing gained. It's that simple.

More recycled conspiracy theories. Seat belts bring us closer to 1984 and someone is more than willing to prove that.

Even if you break things down to simple economics, curing/treating something is generally better than the alternatives. A couple days in the ICU gets expensive really fast. AIDs, cancer, smoking, and many other diseases are NOT fast deaths. Prolonged and expensive.
 
More recycled conspiracy theories. Seat belts bring us closer to 1984 and someone is more than willing to prove that.

Even if you break things down to simple economics, curing/treating something is generally better than the alternatives. A couple days in the ICU gets expensive really fast. AIDs, cancer, smoking, and many other diseases are NOT fast deaths. Prolonged and expensive.

Still, it's selling multiples of treatments at high prices that will sustain a person, not cure them.

Not to say not treating is an option, but lets face facts. Economically, a "cure" is a much less viable because if everyone were cured, it wouldn't produce an income after everyone was treated and the causes were zeroed in on.
 
Still, it's selling multiples of treatments at high prices that will sustain a person, not cure them.

Not to say not treating is an option, but lets face facts. Economically, a "cure" is a much less viable because if everyone were cured, it wouldn't produce an income after everyone was treated and the causes were zeroed in on.

False. That assumes everyone is cured and the disease goes away. Even if we could cure cancer or AIDS, people would still get it and require prescriptions for the cure. Keep in mind that vaccines have virtually eliminated polio and small pox for the most part.
 
Still, it's selling multiples of treatments at high prices that will sustain a person, not cure them.

Not to say not treating is an option, but lets face facts. Economically, a "cure" is a much less viable because if everyone were cured, it wouldn't produce an income after everyone was treated and the causes were zeroed in on.

That assumes that drug patents last forever. They don't. Drug companies don't think about a lifetime of income from a drug, they know they basically only get good income until their patent expires and then the market gets flooded by knock offs. They try to ensure they are always developing new patenable drugs in the pipelines to produce the big income.
 
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If an AIDS cure was developed, patented and mass-produced, promiscuity will always provide a steady market, with the added factor that knowing a cure was possible, wouldn't it increase?

Some serious tinfoil-hat material in this thread.
 
love how one thread the government is lying to you then the next they would never lie to you.

Whenever it suits them. ;)

Seriously, teh interw3b is in a bit of a rut. Bike helmets are good, unless mandatory. In that case, Orwell's 1984 is going to happen soon.

Guys will argue for HOURS on why it should be legal for them to smoke weed, but that same guy will spend hours unable to figure out rational solutions to dealing with cyclists on the road.

Big Pharma allegedly has cures to all illnesses, yet nobody making these claims really understands the true nature of these diseases or how drugs work.

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If Big Pharma has theses cures, does that mean that they haven't patented them? So someone else could produce them anyway.

A patent (in the US) will last you 20 years from the date it is filed. Drugs are patented before testing and optimization, by the time human testing is complete and approval given, they'll be lucky to have 5 years left on the patent. They need to use this period of time to generate revenue which covers the cost of production, marketing and the R&D which went into that drug and the hundreds of others which never made it to the shelf.


Or you're just naive enough to believe that scientists don't follow the almighty dollar too. Next you're going to tell us lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

As a research scientist, trust me, I could earn a heck of a lot more money and work a heck of a lot less hours if I was a plumber. Yes, we do this in part for the paycheck, in that everyone needs a job these days. Need something to pay for the rent and the food on the table. The paycheck isn't a large one, especially not with 10 years post-high school with no serious earning.

If you want financial gain, a trade is a wiser option than getting into science.


Just one of the many forms available to us. In addition to processed food and wAter. 50 percent of everyone we know we most likely die of cancer or heart disease. How cheap is it to eat food that won't kill you? You need to fear science not satan.

Do you know why ~50% of people (in the West) die from heart disease and cancer? So many people die from those two causes because we've done such a good job of getting rid of the other things that kill us. For the most part, in the West child mortality is incredibly low and we aren't starving or dying of infections but no matter how much we understand the human body, something will always kill us. The heart is an engine which wears out (yes, some lifestyles certainly help you along with that) and cancer occurs because of the errors that build up in our DNA (again, this can helped along by lifestyle choices).
 
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