That’s the name I couldn’t remember - I was gonna mention in last post ...Definitely much better success than First Act and their beginner to $5K designer basses.There's a company that probably should have used different branding.
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WOW! Really Sire
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Valid statement.
Good god, what coffee do you drink? This is a brilliant well worded post and I agree.
Just thinking of Victor Wooten trying out the V10 with Marcus Miller's name on the headstock is giving me the giggles. A $1300 is not a boutique bass by any stretch of the imagination of course, and it's not even an exorbitant cost but it certainly a step up from the budget bass category and is going to appeal to a different target consumer bass.
What's a bigboy bass? These things have been around long enough and have good enough reviews that I would feel pretty safe trying one. Does it need to be a particular make to qualify as bigboy status?
Well if you are going down that road, so does Fender. I'm talking about players.
So who’s this Roger Sadowsky guy? And by the way, thanks for putting so many names to the brands we all know and use.
Suitable for fingering makes me thinking of something else actually ... anyway ...
Yes ... provided they can go past the horrible headstock ... oops I said itGood god, what coffee do you drink? This is a brilliant well worded post and I agree.
Just thinking of Victor Wooten trying out the V10 with Marcus Miller's name on the headstock is giving me the giggles. A $1300 is not a boutique bass by any stretch of the imagination of course, and it's not even an exorbitant cost but it certainly a step up from the budget bass category and is going to appeal to a different target consumer bass.
At first I was about to get on the complain-train too... but then I saw that neck:
Wow! Sire is really stepping it up with this.
I have one of the 1st gens and it's still one of the best sounding basses I own (even compared to my Sadowsky, Skjold, and Fender Elite).
Thought I had seen all there was to see with Sire, guess I was wrong.
Wow! Sire is really stepping it up with this.
I have one of the 1st gens and it's still one of the best sounding basses I own (even compared to my Sadowsky, Skjold, and Fender Elite).
Thought I had seen all there was to see with Sire, guess I was wrong.
I agree that Sire's biggest problem right now is the weight factor.
If they find a way to guarantee a 5 string jazz bass will weigh under 9 lbs, a lot of other manufacturers will start sweating.
It may very well be a terrific axe and properly priced. A cynical person . . . . . . might think this is a typical business model of selling very good products at very low prices early on, then raising the table stakes as the game continues. Though it's ironic the lower priced axes are standouts in that price range, but now at these prices they can easily vanish among a sea of similar and similarly-priced axes: Now you're swimming with the sharks.
A lot of good, positive, and intelligent discussion here. I really appreciate all the civility and knowledge sharing. On first blush, the bass looks thicker than my liking, and it seems because of the top laminate the edges appear to be sharper than to my liking. I don't know if the body is "roasted" which would shave pounds off the bass. Agreed with some TB'ers that as Sire begins to move upward, it might be time to move the Marcus Miller endorsement to the back of the headstock, as I said already. I've really never made an effort to listen to Marcus, what little I heard didn't flick my switch. But a lot of people love him and I can see how his name would lend weight to the company.
It occurred to me after reading EVERY post that maybe the $150-200 price increase in the entry level basses is possibly funding the R&D for the top of the line Sires. One of the models I was looking at two-three years ago went for $499 to $699-- that's a big jump. I make no judgement on that except that they're approaching the price of the new Fender Performer series basses. Some will be drawn to Sire's good name and versatility of options and some will be drawn to Fender's legacy name.
I'm looking forward to some lucky soul's NBD post about the new Sire. I hope it's light, well made, and available left handed!
It occurred to me after reading EVERY post that maybe the $150-200 price increase in the entry level basses is possibly funding the R&D for the top of the line Sires. One of the models I was looking at two-three years ago went for $499 to $699-- that's a big jump. I make no judgement on that except that they're approaching the price of the new Fender Performer series basses. Some will be drawn to Sire's good name and versatility of options and some will be drawn to Fender's legacy name.
I'm looking forward to some lucky soul's NBD post about the new Sire. I hope it's light, well made, and available left handed!
IMO these basses are pretty gimmicky. They already appropriated the Squier name to confuse and gain a foothold in the market. The cheaper early models were the best value. Now the prices are creeping up for the same products. And...its still the same old Fender copy with heavily marketed cheap parts...like a 3 dollar preamp called the "Heritage". In my opinion there are many better options other that Sire.
Wow a beautiful bass. Don't dig the bridge though. Looks clumsy and too badass bridge-y for me. Does it have the same screw ratio as the fender classic bridges?
You maybe over stating it a bit , the fit and finish is no where near a Sadowsky.
My summary of this thread thus far:
Sire is supposed to be budget friendly because it was marketed as such from the beginning.
Some people are happy they are trying to expand their offerings. Others are offended by the high price tag.
Still others don't like the Marcus Miller branding. They would prefer if the name was smaller or hidden and Sire stood out as the brand. They don't like the idea of a person's name on a bass unless it is someone that made instruments. It doesn't even matter if that person never knew what an electric bass was in his life or in the case of Leo Fender that person hasn't been associated with the company for around 40-50 years during which time he founded multiple other companies, but couldn't technically put his own name on his own created instruments because someone else owns his name now.
Sire is supposed to be budget friendly because it was marketed as such from the beginning.
Some people are happy they are trying to expand their offerings. Others are offended by the high price tag.
Still others don't like the Marcus Miller branding. They would prefer if the name was smaller or hidden and Sire stood out as the brand. They don't like the idea of a person's name on a bass unless it is someone that made instruments. It doesn't even matter if that person never knew what an electric bass was in his life or in the case of Leo Fender that person hasn't been associated with the company for around 40-50 years during which time he founded multiple other companies, but couldn't technically put his own name on his own created instruments because someone else owns his name now.
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Oops. Thanks for the correction. In fairness, I know someone named Brian Sadowsky IRL.
Nothing wrong with ADDING to the current lineup. Yeah, it's a little steeper than what they've offered in the past, but as others have already said, for what you get, it's still not SO bad a pricetag. Makes sense that they'd expand their line a bit to me, especially considering how the "Vintage" line has been accepted. Plus, all the other less-expensive models are still available. I say kudos to Sire.
