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Wynton Marsalis: Sage or Idiot?

#81
caeman said:
Viola. And there is nothing wrong with it. Unless you are playing a string quartet. Something Wynton doesn't have experience with, since he does jazz, not classical string quartets.

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Sure about that? Wynton has recorded with classical string quartets and won a Pulitzer prize for "blood on fields" which includes plenty of string section work
 
#82
Beginner Bass said:
The only thing worse than one airplane-sized ego is 2 airplane-sized egos on the same stage (i.e. Metallica), and worse yet is the 2 having some petty match onstage.
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why would someone get on stage with someone who he knows does not like him? it makes no sense to me. if miles & i didn't get along i would not get on stage uninvited
 
#86
justabass said:
Miles Davis didn't think much of him...
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jnuts1 said:
i wonder what he thinks of miles?
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Handyman said:
Marsalis is of the opinion that Davis left Jazz, and began pandering to his audience with rock music during his fusion period. He's also made statements along about Davis dressing as a "buffoon".

His opinion of Davis is no secret.
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jnuts1 said:
"i'll never share the stage with that motha****." miles davis
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cripula said:
I was there the night Wynton got on stage with Miles... uninvited. Miles let him play a chorus then waved the band to stop playing, leaving ol' Wynton with his **** hanging out.
Then he waited till Wynton got off his stage to start playing again.

I had to leave early to go to another gig... got outside the venue and Wynton was cussing a blue streak to his "handler".

One of the more memorable nights of my life.
I don't have much time for Wynton's views on the bass.
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And +1 to the Crips thing... here's my take on that concert...
Wynton strode out, started jamming with the band, the crowd cheered...Miles walked over to him, put his arm around him, and started talking in his ear...the band stopped...Wynton's expression dropped, and there were CLEAR signs of him being both shocked and embarrassed....Miles led him off stage, continued playing...the crowd was dumbstruck...gobsmacked...flabberghasted...incredulous...etc., etc....

I didn't know you were at that concert...cool

and when are we doin' dim-sum, man?

Cheers,
Cameron
 
#87
Bassflute said:
And +1 to the Crips thing... here's my take on that concert...
Wynton strode out, started jamming with the band, the crowd cheered...Miles walked over to him, put his arm around him, and started talking in his ear...the band stopped...Wynton's expression dropped, and there were CLEAR signs of him being both shocked and embarrassed....Miles led him off stage, continued playing...the crowd was dumbstruck...gobsmacked...flabberghasted...incredulous...etc., etc....

I didn't know you were at that concert...cool

and when are we doin' dim-sum, man?

Cheers,
Cameron
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I would have LOVED to see that!!
is there a video of it somewhere???

I just think Miles has done more for music that Wynton will ever do for Jazz...
How arrogant is that, to just stroll onto someone else's stage ,let alone Miles Davis...

I'd have loved to see that!!

Anyone heard that recently released Davis CD "at hollywood bowl" from the '81 tour?

I just received it and although the sound quality os not great , the music is-for those that like "we want miles" and "miles miles miles".:)
 
#89
One of the versions of the story I heard (total heresay! -I must admit) had Wynton being told that he was invited to go onstage with Miles.

I played a mostly acoustic jazz gig last night, tiny bit of amp during the 2nd set, and was very happy. : )
 
#91
WM makes the mistake of assuming because it was like that (no bass amplification) it is SUPPOSED to be like that.

Just because there were no good alternatives to amplify the bass to the point of audibility back then doesn't mean it should remain inaudible. It was a limitation of the instrument that folks had no choice but to make the best of. And so they did.

Does WM take the train to his gigs because commercial planes weren't available to the jazz greats of the era?

Should classical musicians avoid eating tomatoes because people thought they were poisonous in the middle ages and the classical musicians of the day were afraid to eat them?

Its stupid, and its childish. Like Buddy Rich's outbursts. But since they're the headliner, they get to make whatever rules they want.

WM reminds me of the guy from Spinal Tap. He states his amps volume knobs go to 11. The other guy explains how that works, why it doesn't matter, how the same volume controls are on everyone else's amps, just the knob "says" 11. He looks at the guy with a dumb look on his face and says:

Dumb guy: "But mine goes to 11".

WM: "But the bass wasn't amplified back then".

Just. Doesn't. Get. It.

Randy
 
#94
Well let me say this;having hung with Wynton off stage the public media Wynton and the real person are 2 different people and it's funny to see the level of dislike caused by a persona. Having said that I don't really agree with the no amp on stage thing,they also prefer minimal mikes on drums BTW. I think every situation is different and sometimes in some places you can get away with it and in other places you need amps and monitors to by heard by other people on stage
 
#96
Wynton Marsalis videos were my middle school band teacher's best friend when she was having an off day and didn't feel like teaching... take it from my experience of hours watching his videos... the man is simply stupid.
 
#98
Marsalis recently slammed trumpeter Christian Scott because his rhythm section didn't swing, and therefore it wasn't jazz. In at least one interview, Scott listed a bunch of jazz players who were apparently not jazz under Marsalis' definition of jazz.

It's interesting that anyone would distinguish between the way Marsalis is in private and what he espouses in public. I would have assumed that his public persona is not like an actor who plays a role in a movie; he chooses what comes out of his mouth, and is not working off of someone else's script.

Outside the world of jazz, more people have actually heard original music by Miles Davis than by Wynton Marsalis. Isn't it funny how someone who is less influential assumes, for whatever reason, that he can decree what is acceptable... especially for an instrument he doesn't play? *laugh*
 
#99
I recon that if jazz is all about pushing the envelope, reinventing oneself and building upon what came before, as it is seen by many musicians I work with and for, then it is Wynton who isn't playing "jazz".
 

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