Your thoughts on heavy metal

[BurningTheAltar]

-l-The Mighty Cliff Burton-l-

 

[BurningTheAltar]

I like Mötörhead more than Maiden, but Harris is definitely a more technically sound player.

 

[bolophonic]

I said nothing about eschewing genres.

I'm talking about eschewing image-centric music.

(It's a subtle play on the word "scene" that is throwing you, I think)

I think it's the whole "worrying about what motivates other people to create music" thing that I cannot relate to.

 

[Nev375]

I think it's the whole "worrying about what motivates other people to create music" thing that I cannot relate to.

It's a whole lot like worrying about the validity of other people's opinions.

Surely we can ALL relate to that?

 

[blue4]

I have respect for the musicians in any genre, even pop.
Vocals however....

When it comes to the cookie monster style of vocals, I have much respect for the physical aspects of it. The strain it puts on a person to do that night after night. That's a tough neck. But I admit as far as musical choice or as a musical vocalist I don't have much respect for them. About as much as an auto tuned pop wanna be.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

I like Mötörhead more than Maiden, but Harris is definitely a more technically sound player.

Yeah, but Lemmy was doing it before Harris.
In the realm of Heavy Metal, Geezer Butler was doing it before most.
They're all completely different styles.
I don't see Harris playing as many chords as Lemmy.

 

[Clark Dark]

I respect music in all its forms and especially the musicians who put in the work to get good, better, and trying for best, at their craft. What I can't stand is vocalists who seemingly gargled with a pint of Drano before approaching the mic

 

[opivy3056]

Did you saw those animation over Dethlok songs ?

I actually didn't til after I posted it ha. I'd heard the song on Spotify earlier and thought that triplet riff was sick

 

[lamarjones]

Favorite players in my influential days were Robert Trujillo (ST and IG days) and Ryan Martinie. Yes, huge Steve Harris fan for sure. Love Lemmy, but saying Steve isn't more proficient is a serious stretch. Which is why I see a lot of the comments up here. Respect is one thing, and it's obvious a lot of people don't get how to respect something they aren't pumped about. But you limit yourself when you don't learn from people very capable of teaching. That said, no one said you had to be good.

Some people say music isn't a competition and there isn't any way to tell who is better. They probably never had to fight for first chair.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

No one said Steve isn't more proficient, but that doesn't make him god, IMHO.

 

[lamarjones]

No one said Steve isn't more proficient, but that doesn't make him god, IMHO.

Agreed. But I don't see any of my heroes as a god.

 

[socialleper]

Yes, but it's kind of like if your dad taught you how to do something, and you become better at it than him.
You still don't become his successor until he's dead.
Lemmy especially can't touch Harris now, since he just died.

Ah, the old "frozen in amber" argument.
That has happened with Jimi Hendrix, Randy Rhoads, Dimebag, and even Cliff Burton to a certain degree. These guys all died young so people constantly wonder "what if" and can never be let down. Lemmy lived a very long, full, life. We saw the fullness of his musical potential. The music he did with Motorhead that he was the most famous for didn't do much to show him as a bass player as it did show him as a 4 string rhythm guitarist. I think his work with Hawkwind showed more ability.
I don't want to turn this thread into a typical "I like this so its better" metal slap fight that happens all the time. For me, I don't but people on a pedestal because they are dead. Lemmy's death doesn't elevate him for me, or make him a better bass player.

 

[static0verdrive]

I'm not sure how to vote. I love metal but from a straight-up bass perspective, too many metal bassists just do what the guitars do (and therefore what's the point?). I'm not saying most, just too many in my books. All the guys playing interesting lines are usually killer! Guys like Cliff Burton, Steve Harris, Dominic ''Forest'' Lapointe from Beyond Creation, Robert Trujillo, Alex Webster, etc.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Lemmy's death doesn't elevate him for me, or make him a better bass player.

Lemmy's death didn't make him a better bass player, since he was already god in the community.

 

[Hopkins]

Some of the early stuff was good. Bands were distinguishable, you knew who it was from the first note. Now days, all metal could be one band playing the same song. Its all the same crap, its about the most boring thing you can listen to.

 

[fretter]

I suppose this is why people love/hate heavy metal:



Here's my opinion :

 

[socialleper]

Wow...reading this post and talking about metal and dropping names and not one mention of Ryan Martinie??? That guy is not only a.ridiculous player with a very innovative approach and style but an extremely.nice and humble guy. Any haters out there need to attempt to learn a few songs...then play them in front of people...and then see if they don't find a new respect and/or liking for the genre. Well, let me rephrase that a bit....its been stated before and the point is more than valid, liking or not liking an art form is to each their own, however, recognition of talent and substance in something you find non appealing is another. As musicians we strive to always improve..taking it from all genres.

I dig the guys work too. The problem is that he has sort of vanished into the woodwork while the less talented guys in Mudvayne screw around with Hellyeah. He is doing a jazz fusion thing right now called Soften the Glare, but I'd love to see him in another metal band.

 

[Nev375]

Some people say music isn't a competition and there isn't any way to tell who is better. They probably never had to fight for first chair.

Music itself is an art. Art cannot be measured or quantified.

Musicianship is a skill and CAN be measured and quantified.

An ironic reality is one does not necessarily have to be a good musician to create good music.

 

[Atshen]

Would be so cool to see Gandolph rock the mic while frodo was twanging and samG was thumping a bass. Maybe an orc on the skins.

Hmm... I would say you'd need the orc on the vocals. Hell, you need an entire band of orcs! Orc'n'roll!

Jaco Pastorius would play that while simultaneously doing backflips off a table in the pub, thank you very much.

First, he'd have to fix that bizarre tone, stop drinking, and of course, well you know, come back to life...

When it comes to the cookie monster style of vocals, I have much respect for the physical aspects of it. The strain it puts on a person to do that night after night.

When done correctly, it's much easier than it seems. Now I'm talking about real death metal vocals, not the screaming pig metalcore wannabes. Those guys won't be able to sing a single note after a few years of doing that.

Someone said that those modern metal singers all sound the same. So true! Many bands sound the same. I can't stand metalcore and whatever silly named genre is in vogue right now. I love old school thrash and death, and some black metal is pure genius.

 

[Charlzm]

No.

I greatly respect the people that are intrigued by it, but I have zero attraction.

I tend to like more melodic stuff, and I don't hear enough intricate rhythmic complexity usually happening, for my taste.

I just hear emotion expressed with... umm... enthusiasm. NTTAWWT.

Not dissing, that's just my take on it.

Not melodic whatsoever, but for rhythmic complexity, it's hard to beat Meshuggah in any genre.
If interested, check out TesseracT's album "Polaris" from 2015. Rhythmically complex with a melodic, almost ethereal delicacy at times. But metal for sure.