Zoom b3 patch Ideas

[BrentSimons]

So wanted to throw this out here - I had a friend bring over his Daring Audio Laser Cannon HD to try out the famed Geddy tone. All I'm going to say is while it is a good sounding pedal, the "Geddy" patch on my B3 sounded much better. The B3 saved me another $250!!

That's good to hear.
Any chance you would share your Geddy patch settings?

 

[imdkoz]

That's good to hear.
Any chance you would share your Geddy patch settings?

Hey Brent - I'll have to check but I think it's the stock "Geddy" patch on C6. I can't remember if I tweeked it or not. As soon as I can find some time I'll post the settings. On call weekend!!

 

[Crystalman85]

Here's a new patch Idea I came up with. this patch has a smooth heavy distortion sound with a clean punchy blend.

Bass distortion 1

Section 1: limiter: thresh: 25, ratio: 4, level: 90, release: 4

Section 2: dist 1: gain: 70, tone: 45, level: 95, balance: 18

Section 3: ag amp: bass:3, mid:4, treble:5, midfq:300hz, gain:45, level:75, char: both, cab:swr4x10, mix:50

 

[Crystalman85]

Here's another patch Idea I came up with. this patch has a stacked clean sound with warm lows and some natural compression.

Warm concert bass

Section 1: znr: thresh: 14, detect: gtrln, level: 90

Section 2: limiter: thresh: 20, ratio: 4, level: 90, release: 5

Section 3: acoustic: bass:4, mid:4, treble:5, midfq:400hz, gain:45, level:80, bright: off, cab:ag8x10, mix:50

 

[Crystalman85]

Here's another patch idea I came up with. this patch has an svt sound with tight lows, punchy highs, and some natural compression.

Mike bass

Section 1: znr: thresh: 17, detect: gtrln, level: 90

Section 2: m comp: thresh: 20, ratio: 4, level: 90, attack: 5

Section 3: svt: bass:4, mid:4, treble:3, midfq:300hz, gain:40, level: 40, ultra: both, cab:ag8x10, mix:50

I just realized that this patch closely duplicates mike star's punchy bass sound from the song man in a box. which is why I named this patch mike bass.

 

[BrentSimons]

Crystalman,
Your patches are fantastic! I dialed in your Geddy Drive patch. It is spot on!
Keep 'em coming!
Take care,
Brent

 

[BrentSimons]

Hey Brent - I'll have to check but I think it's the stock "Geddy" patch on C6. I can't remember if I tweeked it or not. As soon as I can find some time I'll post the settings. On call weekend!!

Hi imdkoz,
I found a thread that Crystalman had started about a Geddy Drive patch and it sounds awesome! No rush! He he
Take care,
Brent

 

[Crystalman85]

Crystalman,
Your patches are fantastic! I dialed in your Geddy Drive patch. It is spot on!
Keep 'em coming!
Take care,
Brent

Thanks, brentsimons. I'm glad the patch worked out for you. I did do my best on duplicating geddy lee's sound on the zoom b3.

 

[ticol07]

Hello,

here's a patch I found that cope pretty well the VT Bass vibe (not exactly the same but not very far as I hear it - if my ears are good, don't know ) :

VT Bass Sim
1- SVT : Bass : 0 - Mid : 0 - Treble : 5 - Gain : 69 - Level : 38 - Ultra : Off - Cab : Orgn - Mix : 29
2- AcBsPre : Gain : 50 - Depth : 8 - Level : 100 - L-mid : 0 (4 to simulate the VT Bass mids placed facing the Character knob)- LM-F : 1.2 kHz - Mid : 0 - H-Mid : 2 - Treble : -10

This sounds as my VT bass V2 set with :
Mids : 12 o'clock
Character : 10:30
Drive : 12 o'clock
Bass : just below 12 o'clock
Highs : 11 o'clock
And with the speaker sim non engaged (just for those who don't know, even with the speaker sim non engaged on the VT Bass V2, there's a cut of the ultra lows and and a cut after 5kHZ, the difference when the speaker sim is engaged is a big boost of the trebles and a light cut of the mids).

I didn't spend much time experimenting, so I don't know how to set this patch to simulate different settings of the Character knob.
Bass and Treble have to be set on the SVT sim, Mids with the AcBsPre L-Mid (they act on a large band, as the mids of the VT, when the mids of the SVT sim act on a very narrow band - more useful to cut some nasty tones I feel than to boost some mids).

You may say : "hey why not just use the B3 SVT sim alone, the VT Bass is also a SVT sim ?" .
The fact is that, what is tonally caracteristic of the VT Bass is the cut of ultra lows and of the highs after 5 kHz. And with the SVT sim of the B3 only, the only way to get these same kinds of cuts is to engage fully the Cab Sim. And there, it doesn't sound at all as the VT Bass. The SVT cab sim of the B3 is very scooped (kind of Bass Driver tone), so it gives something less flexible.
The VT Bass has a flatter response which is why mid lovers tend to like it.
So, the AcBsPre as I set it, acts as a smoother speaker sim, more in the VT Bass way. Decrease the Depth value if the result in your bass rig sounds too full of lows.

 

[TitaniumRx]

Hello,

here's a patch I found that cope pretty well the VT Bass vibe (not exactly the same but not very far as I hear it - if my ears are good, don't know ) :

VT Bass Sim
1- SVT : Bass : 0 - Mid : 0 - Treble : 5 - Gain : 69 - Level : 38 - Ultra : Off - Cab : Orgn - Mix : 38
2- AcBsPre : Gain : 50 - Depth : 8 - Level : 100 - L-mid : 0 (4 to simulate the VT Bass mids placed facing the Character knob)- LM-F : 1.2 kHz - Mid : 0 - H-Mid : 2 - Treble : -10

This sounds as my VT bass V2 set with :
Mids : 12 o'clock
Character : 10:30
Drive : 12 o'clock
Bass : just below 12 o'clock
Highs : 11 o'clock
And with the speaker sim non engaged (just for those who don't know, even with the speaker sim non engaged on the VT Bass V2, there's a cut of the ultra lows and and a cut after 5kHZ, the difference when the speaker sim is engaged is a big boost of the trebles and a light cut of the mids).

I didn't spend much time experimenting, so I don't know how to set this patch to simulate different settings of the Character knob.
Bass and Treble have to be set on the SVT sim, Mids with the AcBsPre L-Mid (they act on a large band, as the mids of the VT, when the mids of the SVT sim act on a very narrow band - more useful to cut some nasty tones I feel than to boost some mids).

You may say : "hey why not just use the B3 SVT sim alone, the VT Bass is also a SVT sim ?" .
The fact is that, what is tonally caracteristic of the VT Bass is the cut of ultra lows and of the highs after 5 kHz. And with the SVT sim of the B3 only, the only way to get these same kinds of cuts is to engage fully the Cab Sim. And there, it doesn't sound at all as the VT Bass. The SVT cab sim of the B3 is very scooped (kind of Bass Driver tone), so it gives something less flexible.
The VT Bass has a flatter response which is why mid lovers tend to like it.
So, the AcBsPre as I set it, acts as a smoother speaker sim, more in the VT Bass way. Decrease the Depth value if the result in your bass rig sounds too full of lows.

Nice one Ticol07.Very good!!!

 

[ticol07]

Did you try it or do you just want me to trust I have good ears ?

 

[ticol07]

I edited my VT Bass patch post : the cab mix is 29, not 38.

 

[TitaniumRx]

Did you try it or do you just want me to trust I have good ears ?

I try it,and yes you have great ears
The strange think is that your patch sound very close with my Precision patch.I use very differed things on mine but the results is very similar.Give it a try and tell me what you think.

1.ParaEQ = Freq1:120hz , Q1:16 , Gain1:3
2.Squick = no use for the clean sound
3.Monotone = Bass:2 , Mid:3 , Trebl:-8 , Mif-F:250Hz , Gain:60 , Level:60 , Char:Brhgt , CAB:Orig , Mix:100
Total Bal:100
Global Bal:100

Is my ears good?

 

[ticol07]

I try it,and yes you have great ears
The strange think is that your patch sound very close with my Precision patch.I use very differed things on mine but the results is very similar.Give it a try and tell me what you think.

1.ParaEQ = Freq1:120hz , Q1:16 , Gain1:3
2.Squick = no use for the clean sound
3.Monotone = Bass:2 , Mid:3 , Trebl:-8 , Mif-F:250Hz , Gain:60 , Level:60 , Char:Brhgt , CAB:Orig , Mix:100
Total Bal:100
Global Bal:100

Is my ears good?

Oh yes, it's amazing! Same tone but completly clean.
I used the SVT because I wanted to be able to have some fur in my tone. But your patch totally works
Good ears too Monotone sim seems to be useful at least !

 

[TitaniumRx]

Oh yes, it's amazing! Same tone but completly clean.
I used the SVT because I wanted to be able to have some fur in my tone. But your patch totally works
Good ears too Monotone sim seems to be useful at least !

Thanks.
I put the Squick in position 2 for the fur,with a little gain and about 10-15% mix,but is very different flavor from yours.Good patch,i ll keep it in my B3 for sure,gratz mate

 

[ticol07]

I tried the 2 patches on my amp (yesterday I was on headphones) and they work well.
Yours is very punchy !
Mine is a good fake VT, except that the Drive on the VT sounds a bit richer when pushed, but nothing very obvious when playing live I guess.
Maybe I'll be able to remove my VT Bass from my pedalboard and make what I think would be the simplest and most convenient pedalboard for gigs : a zoom B3 linked to a ms-60b => one for all the changing patches (amp sims, drives, chorus, Qtron,...) and the other one just for the fixed effects for the gig (Para Eq to fix room problems + compressor + ZNR). I have to find a used MS-60B !

 

[TitaniumRx]

I tried the 2 patches on my amp (yesterday I was on headphones) and they work well.
Yours is very punchy !
Mine is a good fake VT, except that the Drive on the VT sounds a bit richer when pushed, but nothing very obvious when playing live I guess.
Maybe I'll be able to remove my VT Bass from my pedalboard and make what I think would be the simplest and most convenient pedalboard for gigs : a zoom B3 linked to a ms-60b => one for all the changing patches (amp sims, drives, chorus, Qtron,...) and the other one just for the fixed effects for the gig (Para Eq to fix room problems + compressor + ZNR). I have to find a used MS-60B !

I was thinking very seriously to buy a second B3,because the price is very low now,only 120 euros.

 

[ticol07]

Okay... Another possibility then
It could be nice too, but bigger.
Honestly I never tried the ms-60b so I don't know how easy it is to navigate from patch to patch.
And the B3 at the end of the chain could be nice to feed 2 bg250 as I 'm sometimes thinking of bying another one for when I need big volume. The stereo output of the B3 is great for that kind of stuff.

 

[TitaniumRx]

Okay... Another possibility then
It could be nice too, but bigger.
Honestly I never tried the ms-60b so I don't know how easy it is to navigate from patch to patch.
And the B3 at the end of the chain could be nice to feed 2 bg250 as I 'm sometimes thinking of bying another one for when I need big volume. The stereo output of the B3 is great for that kind of stuff.

Correct.Size matters but i prefer the second one B3 for backup also.The only reason i don't have another one B3 or Ms-60B is that i waiting and waiting for the next bass product from them.

 

[ticol07]

If they do one. As they already did the B1xon, I don't know if they're planning on something.
A Zoom B6 (6 effects) would be nice, with a system where you could choose to make a global blend on 2 or 3 linked effects and not the others !!