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@ugly On DAWs, if you’re just using Live as a glorified tape machine, there is no reason to upgrade unless you are excited about alternate takes, which every other DAW has had since forever.

Also I do not buy the improved latency claim. Since I got the Bluebox I rarely play in direct to my computer through software effects, but I did test it out before the BB arrived. I run an RME interface that is supposed to be rock solid, and for some reason with Live I always get double the audible latency that I get with Logic or Bitwig — just enough to be annoying. I still think the plug-in delay compensation is off too. I have been back and forth with their tech support who have offered all sorts of solutions and have had no luck. It’s great for lots of things but glorified tape machine would not be first choice.

I have recorded and mixed a bunch of stuff on Logic with few problems. Bitwig is great at what it does (a truly modular approach that makes a lot of sense to me) except their approach to external controllers is insane. Everyone I know who uses Reaper loves it but I am not learning another program.

I hate Avid with the heat of 1000 suns being pulled into the black hole at the centre of the galaxy. ProTools has a graphic interface designed in 2002 and is run by a company that is built on mistrust and abuse of its customers. It also crashes more.

Generally unless there is compelling reason, I never advise anyone to switch DAWs. But if you were to switch and it’s for tape machine and editing, go with Reaper, which will run on cheap computers, cost very little, and has great support. I think it would take a few days to learn what you needed to learn.

for my home stuff, switching to the Bluebox, and thereby splitting recording and editing, has been a revelation.
 
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JES said:
26585288[/URL], member: 37282"]@ugly On DAWs, if you’re just using Live as a glorified tape machine, there is no reason to upgrade unless you are excited about alternate takes, which every other DAW has had since forever.

Also I do not buy the improved latency claim. Since I got the Bluebox I rarely play in direct to my computer through software effects, but I did test it out before the BB arrived. I run an RME interface that is supposed to be rock solid, and for some reason with Live I always get double the audible latency that I get with Logic or Bitwig — just enough to be annoying. I still think the plug-in delay compensation is off too. I have been back and forth with their tech support who have offered all sorts of solutions and have had no luck. It’s great for lots of things but glorified tape machine would not be first choice.

I have recorded and mixed a bunch of stuff on Logic with few problems. Bitwig is great at what it does (a truly modular approach that makes a lot of sense to me) except their approach to external controllers is insane. Everyone I know who uses Reaper loves it but I am not learning another program.

I hate Avid with the heat of 1000 suns being pulled into the black hole at the centre of the galaxy. ProTools has a graphic interface designed in 2002 and is run by a company that is built on mistrust and abuse of its customers. It also crashes more.

Generally unless there is compelling reason, I never advise anyone to switch DAWs. But if you were to switch and it’s for tape machine and editing, go with Reaper, which will run on cheap computers, cost very little, and has great support. I think it would take a few days to learn what you needed to learn.

for my home stuff, switching to the Bluebox, and thereby splitting recording and editing, has been a revelation.
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Protools can burn in hell
And I knew that Live latency claims where total bill&;$; you just confirmed it.
I downloaded Reaper more times than I can remember and never can gather up the courage to learn a new DAW.
I’ll stay with live 9 for next 2 decades or so.
;)

in a completely off topic tangent
i’m really thinking about tuning my fretless in C standard and using it in my heavy punk/ metal whatever band.
could you hear the nuances, hell no. could it be cool %-+v yes it could.
 
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JES said:
26585571[/URL], member: 37282"]I’ve done fretless P in rock contexts before. It looks cool and can be fun. The “hear the nuance” thing is overrated. If it’s fun to play, do it.
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exactly my thoughts
and dont worry ill drown out the poor intonation with plenty of dirt, and non stop slides and glissandos (i hate those with a passion, on fretted and fretless)
:)
 
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Starthief said:
Cue the "is it still playing bass if you use a frequency shifter" thread :laugh:
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That made me LOL.


JES said:
I hate Avid with the heat of 1000 suns being pulled into the black hole at the centre of the galaxy. ProTools has a graphic interface designed in 2002 and is run by a company that is built on mistrust and abuse of its customers. It also crashes more.
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We can hang
:beer:
 
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ableton also has max for live, which is probably useful (not to me yet).

i tried an introductory bitwig deal. i gave it a go and it conflicted with my other software, so i deleted it almost immediately.

avid sux.

logic would've made a lot of sense for me (and almost did; the garageband porting would've been a major plus), but i have 12 years of archived music projects in ableton so not being able to access that would've been a drag.
 
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JES said:
I hate Avid with the heat of 1000 suns being pulled into the black hole at the centre of the galaxy. ProTools has a graphic interface designed in 2002 and is run by a company that is built on mistrust and abuse of its customers. It also crashes more.
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So presumably the black hole would be pulling in all the heat so we wouldn't feel it, so maybe you love Avid? :smug:

I can't complain about ProTools because I've been using my antiquated version (from 2010?) with almost no problems. I was going to call it "deprecated" but it still works! But if that computer ever goes down, I'll probably switch to something else.
 
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Looks hot.
 
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hieronymous said:
I should add that I got a C in physics in 11th grade and then an F in Advanced Placement Physics my senior year!
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Maybe it’s because I’m back in my hometown for the first time in 2.5 years but that gave me a flashback.

We had a verbally and sometime physically abusive physics teacher in 12th grade. I attended a “good” school district so this was not normal. I went to my Spanish teacher, who knew me well by that point (and would know that I wasn’t BSing) to say that it was a problem. She told me to talk to his dept chair, which I did. The chair then told me to meet with him on a given day, and I get there, and it’s him and the physics teacher, and then he leaves and it’s just me and the physics teacher, who yells at me. I don’t remember what I said but I just got out of there as fast as possible. That was a real lesson about authority.

My friends and I started doing a primal scream every day after 6th period (physics) in the hallway. Amazingly, we were not disciplined for it (it was only later that I realized that that was a real lesson in whiteness). Eventually people from around the school would come and join in. Another friend dropped acid in 5th period to see what it would be like in 6th with that guy. I thought that was crazy, but it was legendary.

A few weeks after my ill-fated attempt at an intervention, the physics teacher had a heart attack, and was out for the year. We got this super enthusiastic guy straight out of Ed school and he was great. Turns out I loved physics. I ran into him later that year at an REM concert.

Later in the year I made an enemy of one of the gym teachers.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
 
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Starthief said:
I mostly use Bitwig as a mixer, recorder and plugin host and extension of the modular, I don't do any sequencing with it. I still like it quite a lot for the Grid, modulators and routing.
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That seems like the most intriguing part about Bitwig, for sure
 
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Question... one thing I did when mixing the recent album was a lot of motion panning. Often, I'd tie it in with the dynamics, like when a wave of sound comes in, I'd pan it in a certain direction then have it fade away. Now, if mixing were a synthesizer, I could figure out how to automate it, tying velocity or volume into the pan. But a DAW isn't a synth. Next time around, I'd like to streamline this technique. Any ideas about how one might accomplish that?
 
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lordradish said:
Question... one thing I did when mixing the recent album was a lot of motion panning. Often, I'd tie it in with the dynamics, like when a wave of sound comes in, I'd pan it in a certain direction then have it fade away. Now, if mixing were a synthesizer, I could figure out how to automate it, tying velocity or volume into the pan. But a DAW isn't a synth. Next time around, I'd like to streamline this technique. Any ideas about how one might accomplish that?
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You mean like a voltage-controlled panner/mixer? I think there are modular gadgets that would do that. That's as far as my limited knowledge goes, though I'm interested.
 

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