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After spending alot of time on the Lyra I only have 3 tips:
- have fun!!! Don't force anything
- open your ears
- embrace the unpredictable nature of the instrument.

Side note:
Try the Lyra alone before mixing in any external fx or processing.
Believe it will pay off in the long run.
Excellent tips, thanx!
 
Excellent tips, thanx!
Oh, I forgot one:

DONT READ THE MANUAL!!!!!!

for real, just tweak and listen. I still dont know what some switches actually do.
They change the sound, yes.......how???........ I have no freakin idea.

Dont forget some loose change to sustain some voices without using the HOLD knob ( it sustains 4 voices at once)
:)
 
I think it's time for me to finally get a hardware polysynth snd have been thinking far too much about it. So apologies for the length of this post. I'd appreciate insight from anyone and everyone.

I have the cash saved up. I am going to pick up a Micromonsta for my band rig when they're available again in January, but I want something more 1-knob-per-function-y for home use now that my away from the computer setup is happening. I've been doing my reading and listening and would love to hear if anyone has any thoughts here. Unfortunately, there are zero stores with a return policy for two of my three options (I can get the Prophet mail order from Long and McQuade, which does allow returns).

Here's what I want:

a) a desktop module with patch memory
b) that at least theoretically could do MPE at some point
c) that is fun to program
d) has a good basic sound to start with
e) that can sound nasty and dirty--not necessarily elephantine like a mono synth but distorted. I sometimes want clean but I am very much in a "dirty" phase at the moment. I do have monos for elephantine sounds so I'm not looking for huge bass, just not super-clean.

Right now my candidates are the Iridium, Prophet 6, and Super 6. Everyone says Hydrasynth is fun to program but not as awesome sounding as the other 3. I have listened to tons of demos but don't totally believe them. Normally this could be resolved with 10 minutes at a synth store, but places like Moog Audio won't even let you touch the stock right now.

The Prophet 6 is very WYSIWYG. It has a good basic sound in the neighbourhood of what I'm thinking of and is flexible within "standard analog synth" territory. MPE works. I worry that it's too simple in a way. MPE and modulation options are limited. But I can always sequence parameters from my Vector or Octatrack because of its excellent MIDI implementation, and you can program the Linnstrument to send any message you want on the Y axis.

The Super Six: The desktop form factor and interface looks perfect for me. More capable than the Prophet--everything on the front panel can be modulated from the front panel (with a couple exceptions). But seems to have a cleaner sound. No MPE yet but it's promised and the developer seems to deliver on promises, though not immediately. I can wait. Demos are all pretty clean and tinkle, though the new firmware update is said to have better FM (waiting to hear it demoed). I think I would need the Erica Acidbox or OTO Boum or something after it to get the tones I'm seeking. The stereo spread thing through a distortion or ring mod or frequency shifter could be pretty nuts.

The Iridium: Reports (including here) are that the MPE is working well in the 3.0 beta. Everyone on this thread that has one seems to love it. I love the theoretical range of engines on it -- combining sample and FM or virtual analog and physical modelling in one patch could be sick. I would instantly load up the Fairlight sample set and go nuts.

—how much do you have to use the touchscreen? I’m not a jam-and-tweak the touchscreen kind of guy. I don’t mind it for deeper settings and naming patches, etc., but would want to be able to use knobs when jamming.
—relatedly, would you say it is fun to program? I’d mostly build my own patches and love the idea of mixing samples and synthesis. But for instance, Loopop seemed to grumble a bit about the mod matrix in his review.
—can you get it to sound dirty or nasty? I know audio rate modulation on some oscillators is limited. Seems like there are lots of options on the synth for dirt elsewhere, but I haven’t heard much of this demos. Lot of huge pads and ambient stuff but that’s not what I’m after.

EDIT: I could also join the Lyra club here, but I kind of want a more traditional poly at least to start.

i’m a proponent of both the iridium and hydrasynth.

iridium’s mod matrix is fine. an added bonus is that you can modify a modifier. so you could use mpe to control how much an lfo controls something, that sort of thing. it’s fun to program. very sweet sounding out of the box and has lots of options. 3.0 beta does mpe pretty well. i do like the touchscreen—i tend to use it more to program. i haven’t used any samples other than the internal ones. i use a mcmillen k4 pro with it for mpe. i think it does nice things. i assume the linnstrument would be a good match. seems like the firmware updates are less frequent, but that’s probably due to the complexity. rolf et al. seem receptive to user comments.

hydra does not sound as sweet out of the box and does not have as many options, but has plenty and does some great things. it is very easy to program. the eight macros (with at 12 parameters each, iirc) give it an advantage for live stuff, as you can make one patch do a number of things on the fly, including changing effects parameters or the strength of modulation assignments. i use it with the linnstrument for mpe and like that quite a bit. asm seems very keyed into users and does a fair amount of firmware updates.

i don’t use the factory presets on either.

don’t have the prophet; it’s not a sound i like (too bad, cause i have friends who work there). no experience with the super 6.

fwiw, you can get three hydrasynth desktops for around the price of one iridium. the bank-for-buck thing is squarely in the hydra’s court for me. and, imo, the hydra is probably better for live applications. the desktop is smaller and the pads have polyphonic aftertouch (iridium’s do not). the new explorer has a smaller pat keyboard and the same synth engine.

ps: hydra does mono. don’t recall if the iridium does.
 
So I uploaded the rhythmic firmware on the Cosmos. The polyrhythm thing is really nice, and some of the glitchy stuff is very glitchy. And you still get a small sample of the original firmware (one each of 2 and 4 delay lines and the granular). I think I will keep it on this one for awhile.

I've got a very crap demo on soundcloud. Drone commander going in. At first with a low pass gate closed, and then I open it up. Sequenced from my Vector but it's a static sequence because that wasn't the point of the exercise.

 
Thanks @steubig . Would you say it’s a challenge to get the HS sounding sweet or is it just a matter of knowing what settings to put into a template preset?

For dirtier timbres do you prefer one or the other between HS and Iridium? And is one or the other easier or more fun to program?
 
Thanks @steubig . Would you say it’s a challenge to get the HS sounding sweet or is it just a matter of knowing what settings to put into a template preset?

For dirtier timbres do you prefer one or the other between HS and Iridium? And is one or the other easier or more fun to program?

ime, the hydra seems to have more high end, which i try to soften a bit. there’s a few ways to do that: faux analog setting, warmth setting and another i forget the name of right now. maybe the hs can be more aggressive?

ease of programming: the hs is one synth engine with many parts (if you read the manual [which is very good, btw] you’ll see what i mean; the iridium is basically three engine under one hood, so it’s “less easy.” i found them both fun.

the hs is three osc, which one being less flexible; the iridium is three osc with all three being capable of being a different engine (convoluted sentence!). arguably less easy.
 
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So I uploaded the rhythmic firmware on the Cosmos. The polyrhythm thing is really nice, and some of the glitchy stuff is very glitchy. And you still get a small sample of the original firmware (one each of 2 and 4 delay lines and the granular). I think I will keep it on this one for awhile.

Yours shipped with the original "drifting memory" firmware (aka "COSMOS_M1.0.smf"), correct?
 
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I think it's time for me to finally get a hardware polysynth snd have been thinking far too much about it. So apologies for the length of this post. I'd appreciate insight from anyone and everyone.

I have the cash saved up. I am going to pick up a Micromonsta for my band rig when they're available again in January, but I want something more 1-knob-per-function-y for home use now that my away from the computer setup is happening. I've been doing my reading and listening and would love to hear if anyone has any thoughts here. Unfortunately, there are zero stores with a return policy for two of my three options (I can get the Prophet mail order from Long and McQuade, which does allow returns).

Here's what I want:

a) a desktop module with patch memory
b) that at least theoretically could do MPE at some point
c) that is fun to program
d) has a good basic sound to start with
e) that can sound nasty and dirty--not necessarily elephantine like a mono synth but distorted. I sometimes want clean but I am very much in a "dirty" phase at the moment. I do have monos for elephantine sounds so I'm not looking for huge bass, just not super-clean.

Right now my candidates are the Iridium, Prophet 6, and Super 6. Everyone says Hydrasynth is fun to program but not as awesome sounding as the other 3. I have listened to tons of demos but don't totally believe them. Normally this could be resolved with 10 minutes at a synth store, but places like Moog Audio won't even let you touch the stock right now.

The Prophet 6 is very WYSIWYG. It has a good basic sound in the neighbourhood of what I'm thinking of and is flexible within "standard analog synth" territory. MPE works. I worry that it's too simple in a way. MPE and modulation options are limited. But I can always sequence parameters from my Vector or Octatrack because of its excellent MIDI implementation, and you can program the Linnstrument to send any message you want on the Y axis.

The Super Six: The desktop form factor and interface looks perfect for me. More capable than the Prophet--everything on the front panel can be modulated from the front panel (with a couple exceptions). But seems to have a cleaner sound. No MPE yet but it's promised and the developer seems to deliver on promises, though not immediately. I can wait. Demos are all pretty clean and tinkle, though the new firmware update is said to have better FM (waiting to hear it demoed). I think I would need the Erica Acidbox or OTO Boum or something after it to get the tones I'm seeking. The stereo spread thing through a distortion or ring mod or frequency shifter could be pretty nuts.

The Iridium: Reports (including here) are that the MPE is working well in the 3.0 beta. Everyone on this thread that has one seems to love it. I love the theoretical range of engines on it -- combining sample and FM or virtual analog and physical modelling in one patch could be sick. I would instantly load up the Fairlight sample set and go nuts.

—how much do you have to use the touchscreen? I’m not a jam-and-tweak the touchscreen kind of guy. I don’t mind it for deeper settings and naming patches, etc., but would want to be able to use knobs when jamming.
—relatedly, would you say it is fun to program? I’d mostly build my own patches and love the idea of mixing samples and synthesis. But for instance, Loopop seemed to grumble a bit about the mod matrix in his review.
—can you get it to sound dirty or nasty? I know audio rate modulation on some oscillators is limited. Seems like there are lots of options on the synth for dirt elsewhere, but I haven’t heard much of this demos. Lot of huge pads and ambient stuff but that’s not what I’m after.

EDIT: I could also join the Lyra club here, but I kind of want a more traditional poly at least to start.

I like your problems! Worst case, you’ll wind up with a great Poly no matter which you choose. I feel like I’ve heard some fairly nasty (in a good way) stuff come out of the Super Six, though it seems more known for doing classic Roland type stuff.
Every synth on your list is also on mine, so I’ll be interested which you choose and why. The Waldorf M may be worth investigating as well. That one sounds insanely good to my ears
 
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I like your problems! Worst case, you’ll wind up with a great Poly no matter which you choose. I feel like I’ve heard some fairly nasty (in a good way) stuff come out of the Super Six, though it seems more known for doing classic Roland type stuff.
Every synth on your list is also on mine, so I’ll be interested which you choose and why. The Waldorf M may be worth investigating as well. That one sounds insanely good to my ears

i’ve been interested in the m. have to say though that the more that i read or hear, the less interesting it seems.
 
Every synth on your list is also on mine, so I’ll be interested which you choose and why. The Waldorf M may be worth investigating as well. That one sounds insanely good to my ears

Yeah, I noticed that. We have similar tastes in synths, apparently. The M is cool but seems unlikely to get MPE. And I think it might be a bit too limited in some ways for me.

On one level, a visit to the store might eliminate one or more of these if I don't like working with them. But I can't really do that. It's interesting that people keep recommending the Hydra against much more expensive synths.
 
Yeah, I noticed that. We have similar tastes in synths, apparently. The M is cool but seems unlikely to get MPE. And I think it might be a bit too limited in some ways for me.

On one level, a visit to the store might eliminate one or more of these if I don't like working with them. But I can't really do that. It's interesting that people keep recommending the Hydra against much more expensive synths.
Will you be getting the desktop or the full sized HS?
;)

From the basement day 4 of 10
Good news, im the only one sick out of entire the family.
And I cant taste de difference between a potato and a lemon atm.
 
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So glad you’re the only sick one in your family, but the taste thing has to suck.

I am only interested in desktop units. Still not sure which way I’ll go. It’s not an actual emergency or anything.

Hydra is also very tempting for sure. I only have one poly (EssenceFM), which can get pretty wild but also leans toward more glassy type sounds. The UDO would be the the most NOT like that synth, which could be cool. I’m also in no rush and would likely sell off some eurorack stuff to pay for it
 
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Yeah, I'm dishing off some Euro at the moment. Negotiating with a guy right now who keeps telling me things cost less than they actually cost. I'm like just tell me what you're willing to pay and don't gaslight me.

The more I play with ID700 on my iPad, the more I'm into it. The interface is a little small and fiddly for playing and live tweaking, though. Do you just mess around with the Essence till you get something you like or have you actually learned something about multi-op FM? I'm in the messing around stage.
 
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Yeah, I'm dishing off some Euro at the moment. Negotiating with a guy right now who keeps telling me things cost less than they actually cost. I'm like just tell me what you're willing to pay and don't gaslight me.

The more I play with ID700 on my iPad, the more I'm into it. The interface is a little small and fiddly for playing and live tweaking, though. Do you just mess around with the Essence till you get something you like or have you actually learned something about multi-op FM? I'm in the messing around stage.
Lowballers......the scum of the used gear world.
Sure Ill sell ya my 421 mic for 80$, GFYS!!!!!
 
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