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Any one else stuck in a horrible marriage?

Why does everyone say don't get advice on a bass forum?

People are people. Advice is advice.
Talking about things is healthy, & usually sound advice given by even the best therapists.

Regardless of where you seek your advice, or just vent, you're gonna get both the good with the bad.
May even get more honesty here than other people he knows.
 
Why does everyone say don't get advice on a bass forum?

People are people. Advice is advice.
Talking about things is healthy, & usually sound advice given by even the best therapists.

Regardless of where you seek your advice, or just vent, you're gonna get both the good with the bad.
May even get more honesty here than other people he knows.

Depends on the type of advice I guess. Medical? Financial? I know a bass forum isn't the first place I'd go to for either of those. If it's on less critical stuff like cooking or gardening, then yeah, couldn't hurt I guess. Not too much anyway.
 
My wife doesn't like me...plain and simple. We have been to many counselling sessions and I try to do everything on her "list"
She won't even consider my list until I do 100% of hers.
I work full time, drive kids to school, get home, cook dinner, clean up, make lunches. She works half time and I am not allowed to ask what she does with her time.
Our house is a cluttered disaster as she is a border line hoarder.
We don't fight, there's just nothing there. She thinks she's perfect. She is a great mom.
I'm also an alcoholic...I know, I should quit, but I don't get drunk, just drink to numb the lonelieness.
We have three kids and are slowly, very slowly, drowning in debt.
Divorce is not an option as we could not afford two houses/apartments.
Any one else stuck?
I would consider an affair, but who would have a fat old father of three still living with his wife!
Thanks for letting me vent!

You're married to my ex wife? Sorry dude I should've warned you.
 
It is hard to stop drinking, but it will help. I quit after drinking heavily for a very long time. That was the best choice I ever made! But it was and is one day at a time. AA really helped me, and is there for you to if you decide to quit. My marriage is going better now.
 
Don't leave the home! It's your home too. Chances are she is just as miserable with you as you are with her yet I would bet she is not having this internal struggle with whether or not to leave the home. Women leaving the family without bringing the kids is very rare. Men should never think it is incumbent on them to leave the home.

You mentioned that you aren't fighting and likely there is not physical abuse, just mere tolerance of each other. You're both numb and bored with each other. Change your hobbies and habits to get yourself out of the rut. I think you got the message about stopping drinking so I won't beat that dead horse.

DON'T have an affair! The last thing you want is for your kids to think you caused the family to be broken up because you couldn't control yourself. And you can't justify it by saying it because your wife didn't like you. Your wife would surely speak evil about you to your kids which will cause irreparable harm to them. Girls will have trust issues with men and your boys won't understand why Dad left. It also opens the door for another man to raise your kids. Avoid that.

Whatever age your youngest kid is right now, stay in the home until they are 18 or out of the house and on their own, or in college or whatever. Think of it as a contract with your kids instead of a contract with your wife. It's awful that you and your wife are not getting along, but suppose that it was your 10 year old child that was uncontrollable, awful and treated you and your wife terribly. Would you leave the house because of it? No, you would keep trying something else even if that included ignoring the behavior altogether.

You mentioned lists. You believe that your wife will restore her love for you if you complete a checklist of items. It is actually doing the opposite for you. Your wife won't love you if she doesn't respect you. You have unwittedly become her lap dog. If you sees you as a self-pitying drinking sloth, you're aren't the attractive to her any more. Women are attracted to confident men. Stop waiting on her. All that stuff you were doing for her, just stop doing it cold turkey.

Besides cleaning up the drinking, over the coming year redefine yourself by doing constructive things YOU want to do NOT because you want to become more attractive - physically, intellectually, emotionally, etc. Don't do it for her, do it for you; there's a difference. Women are highly intuitive and can sniff out when you are doing things for ulterior motive.

Good luck and stick with your kids in your own home.
 
Why does everyone say don't get advice on a bass forum?

Good point.

To be fair, it's okay to ask anyone for advice.

But when you fear you may have an alcohol problem and your marriage is failing, I certainly wouldn't leave it at that. I would seek the advice and counsel of a qualified, experienced professional. There you'll have a much better chance at much better advice.
 
Sounds like a lot of bass players have gone through what you are experiencing. With that, I'd listen to them giving you some opinions from real life situations.

Google A.A. for your town. Find a meeting near you and walk in. You will be accepted by the group. They don't judge anyone.
You can vent and you will feel better when you do.

Sounds like a "divorce" might happen.
You will be broke, so for your sanity while you live in a tiny apartment, start jogging. it is the least expensive route to keeping your sanity and helps you get back in shape.
 
My wife doesn't like me...plain and simple. We have been to many counselling sessions and I try to do everything on her "list"
She won't even consider my list until I do 100% of hers.
I work full time, drive kids to school, get home, cook dinner, clean up, make lunches. She works half time and I am not allowed to ask what she does with her time.
Our house is a cluttered disaster as she is a border line hoarder.
We don't fight, there's just nothing there. She thinks she's perfect. She is a great mom.
I'm also an alcoholic...I know, I should quit, but I don't get drunk, just drink to numb the lonelieness.
We have three kids and are slowly, very slowly, drowning in debt.
Divorce is not an option as we could not afford two houses/apartments.
Any one else stuck?
I would consider an affair, but who would have a fat old father of three still living with his wife!
Thanks for letting me vent!

It's walking time.
 
Don't leave the home! It's your home too. Chances are she is just as miserable with you as you are with her yet I would bet she is not having this internal struggle with whether or not to leave the home. Women leaving the family without bringing the kids is very rare. Men should never think it is incumbent on them to leave the home.

You mentioned that you aren't fighting and likely there is not physical abuse, just mere tolerance of each other. You're both numb and bored with each other. Change your hobbies and habits to get yourself out of the rut. I think you got the message about stopping drinking so I won't beat that dead horse.

DON'T have an affair! The last thing you want is for your kids to think you caused the family to be broken up because you couldn't control yourself. And you can't justify it by saying it because your wife didn't like you. Your wife would surely speak evil about you to your kids which will cause irreparable harm to them. Girls will have trust issues with men and your boys won't understand why Dad left. It also opens the door for another man to raise your kids. Avoid that.

Whatever age your youngest kid is right now, stay in the home until they are 18 or out of the house and on their own, or in college or whatever. Think of it as a contract with your kids instead of a contract with your wife. It's awful that you and your wife are not getting along, but suppose that it was your 10 year old child that was uncontrollable, awful and treated you and your wife terribly. Would you leave the house because of it? No, you would keep trying something else even if that included ignoring the behavior altogether.

You mentioned lists. You believe that your wife will restore her love for you if you complete a checklist of items. It is actually doing the opposite for you. Your wife won't love you if she doesn't respect you. You have unwittedly become her lap dog. If you sees you as a self-pitying drinking sloth, you're aren't the attractive to her any more. Women are attracted to confident men. Stop waiting on her. All that stuff you were doing for her, just stop doing it cold turkey.

Besides cleaning up the drinking, over the coming year redefine yourself by doing constructive things YOU want to do NOT because you want to become more attractive - physically, intellectually, emotionally, etc. Don't do it for her, do it for you; there's a difference. Women are highly intuitive and can sniff out when you are doing things for ulterior motive.

Good luck and stick with your kids in your own home.

This is a great post. Agree all round. Especially the kid part. They are going to get older and find out everything eventually so you don't want them knowing you cheated on their mother, no matter how bad you think things are.
 
After sleeping on this, I wanted to add some things that may be helpful to cope with your situation as well as others in similar predicaments. I, too, felt like I was in a similar ordeal a year or so ago and for quite a few years. I thought couldn't stand me, no matter what I did. I read a lot of advice online and a book or two. Eventually I changed MYSELF instead of being constantly upset that she had changed, particularly after starting a family.

I was angry that she wasn't paying attention to me like she used to so I started thinking of things (like your lists) to do to put me back on her priority list. Nothing worked.

After truly accepting the fact that I was on her list of priorities just under the dog and maybe tied with her iPhone, it freed me up to focus on the things I wanted to do, not wasting my time trying to please her and get back in her good graces.

This was a big revelation for me. The monkey was off my back, as if a bad chatty-catty, negative-nelly, debbie-downer, buzz-killington, co-worker and waster of your time finally decides to leave the company. Suddenly your productivity shoots to the roof.

With the time and now the freedom to do what I wanted, I decided to, bringing things full circle, learn to play the bass. Not just learn it, but eventually master it and even learn how to build one (which I did). Yeah, I got some grief about and she is really not all that impressed with my progress after 7 months, but I don't really care any more. I know what I have to do to get where I want to be and its independent of her opinion. I'm still in the same position on her list and she has moved down a few spots on mine.

And that's the problem. You have fallen on her priority list whereas she is still at the top of yours, which is where she was before kids. You both need to be on the same level of priority to each other so if you are 5th or 6th on her list and she is still 1st or second, move her down. The kids go higher, the getting sober and therefore your health becomes your next priority after your kids, then your career goals, then your personal goals (becoming a better musician, learning to sail, go fishing more, etc). THEN your wife.

This will make a giant difference in your life, your kids' lives and even your marriage, because you will be genuinely happy in your own skin and it will show. Ironically, the less time you spend obscessing about your relationship, the more your wife will be attracted to you.

"Doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you." - Neil Young

And bringing this to a bass forum was totally appropriate in my opinion. You feel comfortable here, as if you are talking to friends. If I, as a bass myself, wrote a post saying that I was sturuggling with triads, or improvisation or creating basslines that are in my head but I just can't get my fingers to cooperate, I would wager that the majority of replies would tell me NOT to give up and genuinely offer tips from their experiences about what worked for them. Practice, practice, practice and most importantly don't give up. Don't do the same thing or play the same songs over and over, you won't get better. Get out of your comfort zone, etc. Don't give up and play a kazoo in a crummy studio apartment.

So if YOU, capn, wouldn't tell me to give up on bass no matter how frustrated I got as an intermediate bass player, how could I, in good conscience, tell you to give up on your family? Many people that do get divorced find inner happiness afterwards once the storm passes. Unless, there is genuine abuse in the marriage, you can find inner happiness without leaving. Remember, the hell you know is better than the hell you DON'T know.

You and your wife are playing the same song over and over. Don't try to start with another instrument (another woman) or give up on bass (your family), learn how to play the one you have better. Reinvent yourself and your whole family dynamic will change for the better, I promise.
 
I am not in your situation by far, but I was seriously stressed out and overweight some years ago. The only way to straighten myself out was taking more me-time. And that time should IMHO be spent on getting in shape and finding an alternative to drinking. You need to get out of the house to do that. Each time you want a drink, take a walk, go bicycling, paint a fence, lift weights or do something else that activates you instead of poisoning you.

The goal is to take control of yourself, and thereby achieve better self confidence. You are doing a lot for your family already. Recognise that. Be proud of that. Then realise that others need to take responsibility, too. Stop following her "list", but do what you think needs to be done. And then take that time for yourself. When you get results, it will show, and at least your kids will love you for it. If your wife does not see it, it is her loss.
 
I'm really sorry to hear how hard your marriage has become.

My pastor recently made an observation that resonated with me: we ALL marry the wrong person. The matchmaker industry has us all hyped up about "compatibility" and dangling this lure out there that there's some perfect person that will give us happily-ever-after. Doesn't exist. We are all, every last one of us, flawed human beings. We will all, every one of us, give each other reason to hate us. The closer our relationship puts us, the more opportunity we'll have to tick each other off - husband and wife, parent and child...

On top of that, people change. I was reading a novel called The Sparrow a while back, and there's a conversation where a younger character asks an older woman how she stayed married so long. Her answer was, "I've been married to four different men over the last thirty year, and every one of them was named John Smith." (or whatever the character's name was). You don't find "the perfect person" and then you're married to them forever. You change, they change, and the relationship is a constant process of figuring out how the person you're changing into relates to the person they're changing into.

Ultimately, what holds a marriage together is not how compatible or how "in love" the two people are. It's not how great they are. They're none of those things, or at least they are guaranteed not to remain so for long. Nor is it that they've become poor or ugly and don't have any better options. What holds a marriage together is that these two screwed-up people make a vow to each other that, as screwed up as they are, and however they're going to change, they are going to give themselves to each other body and soul to make it work. It's not about loving the person because they're so great you can't help it. It's about making a choice to love them even in their messed-up state.

We all like to justify ourselves when we're in a conflict. The OP has been honest enough to share one of his flaws, his drinking, and I agree with everyone that things aren't likely to get better unless he deals with that. But we still only have his point of view, and what he's chosen to reveal or how he's chosen to interpret it. If the wife had made the post, we might have heard a different story. The "rules" he's following do seem one-sided, but if they came out of counseling sessions I've got to assume that there were reasons for them. Why is he not allowed to ask how she spends her free time? Was he being jealous and controlling before, monitoring who she spoke to or socialized with? Or something else? At any rate, if they really are as one-sided as they appear in the OP ("she won't even consider my list until I do 100% of hers"), then the thing to do is go back to the marriage counselor and have an update, so the counselor can mediate and help correct these problems.

Ultimately, for a marriage to work, it can't be 50/50 - it has to be 100/100. If you say, "I'll do this much, but then you'll have to do the rest," then it will fail. You have to be willing to say, "I'll do whatever it takes to make this work."