rockstarbassist
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Maybe I will
(of course that was in jest... directed at the @-holes who actually have this mentality, and disgrace this and other forums with such attitude...)
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Anyone else out there -Not- a Huge Jaco Fan??
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(of course that was in jest... directed at the @-holes who actually have this mentality, and disgrace this and other forums with such attitude...)
rockstarbassist
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That's why I qualified it with "diehards"-
the people who can't see past the blinders.
It's a disease, and it's saddening.
I was influenced more by the players Jaco influenced (perhaps just because I had heard them first), and I do enjoy listening to him (and I "get" his music and jazz and fusion as a whole, thank you very much!), but I wouldn't consider myself his #1 fan or anything. I enjoy his work with Weather Report more than anything else, but I think it's more of that particular lineup and sonic mixture of Zawinul, Shorter, etc than just Jaco himself.
rockstarbassist
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I won't go into the Jaco/Mozart thing, and Jamerson gets a great deal of well-deserved respect from most posters on this site (myself included). That said, I do hope you're willing to explain why you took time to point out that WR's music isn't as popular as the songs that Jamerson played on. Popularity has never been an indicator of quality. I mean, Kenny G is more popular than Trane- that says more about the masses than it does about the musicians.
rockstarbassist
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I won't go into the Jaco/Mozart thing, and Jamerson gets a great deal of well-deserved respect from most posters on this site (myself included). That said, I do hope you're willing to explain why you took time to point out that WR's music isn't as popular as the songs that Jamerson played on. Popularity has never been an indicator of quality. I mean, Kenny G is more popular than Trane- that says more about the masses than it does about the musicians.
But that's the whole deal-
most of these interwebz nutjobs w/ the blinders on don't understand there's more than one thing you can like, and conversely, dislike.
And I only put that in there specifically because there's about 6.01 trillion people on the planet who don't own anything Jaco is on and/or recorded.
We're all just dumb noobz. And can't enjoy or "get" music. We're doombed.
It's a flawed and failing, as always, argument... IF you can call it that.
Bass was doing fine before he showed up. And has been just dandy afterwards, even without his "influence", which nowadays is an "in" thing to spout off on during an interview of thread it seems like.
But that's the whole deal-
most of these interwebz nutjobs w/ the blinders on don't understand there's more than one thing you can like, and conversely, dislike.
And I only put that in there specifically because there's about 6.01 trillion people on the planet who don't own anything Jaco is on and/or recorded.
We're all just dumb noobz. And can't enjoy or "get" music. We're doombed.
It's a flawed and failing, as always, argument... IF you can call it that.
Bass was doing fine before he showed up. And has been just dandy afterwards, even without his "influence", which nowadays is an "in" thing to spout off on during an interview of thread it seems like.
It (bass playing) definitely changed after Jaco. As I've indicated, it doesn't matter to me whether someone likes his playing or music but he did change the way the instrument is approached. I'm not the biggest Hendrix fan (or Eddie Van Halen) but it would be silly for me to deny their influence.
P.S. Tax accounting as a hobby? Dude, I've spent 30 yrs of my life doing it and I'd rather spend the day at the dentist.
And I only put that in there specifically because there's about 6.01 trillion people on the planet who don't own anything Jaco is on and/or recorded.
We're all just dumb noobz. And can't enjoy or "get" music. We're doombed.
I see. It makes more sense now that you've clarified.
You seem pretty dismissive here. Why?
Seriously, putting "influence" in quotation marks is beyond the pale. He did have and continues to have an influence on the musicianship and technical prowess of a lot of players -no, not all- who heard him play.
And "an 'in' thing" nowadays? It will be "an 'in' thing" for the rest of our lives, if we're lucky. You've swung the pendulum completely over to the other side. He is "in" today, three decades after his Weather Report stint, more than two decades after his death because some musicians recognize beauty and talent in him just as they do in Jamerson.
What would you be saying if this thread were about Jamerson rather than Jaco? I cannot shake the feeling that your attitude in that case would not be quite as dismissive.
What? How many veteran professional musicians do you know that are that ignorant? This can't be common.
Just a old guys opinion here but, youtube and wikipedia are not the best places for information and music.
AMEN!!!
We're all just dumb noobz. And can't enjoy or "get" music. We're doombed.
It's a flawed and failing, as always, argument... IF you can call it that.
But isn't it possible to not "get" something on the first listen, then come back later and really connect with something? It can happen but it takes work.
if there's one thing i have learned from music and musicians is that there is an 'elite' club.jaco,hendrix,clapton,halen,srv,chilli peppers,metallica,floyd,beatles and zepplin are all in it.and lets not forget 'jazz' as well.if any of these names/bands/genres are not of your liking or overated in your opinion,you could be in line for a 'lynchin'.none of the above are untouchable in my opinion.i've always thought zepplin,chilli's are way overated and jaco's music to my ears is unlistenable.people should respect this as i respect their opinion as well.bring on the rope i can take it.
jaco, chili peppers and metallica are part of this "elite club" you speak of? haha, don't make me laugh. Comparing them to ppl like clapton and halen is laughable! what a crock of stinky dog ****!
rockstarbassist
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It's just as possible to never "get it", because it's still pretty darned boring.
I've opened up to a lot of music over the years of playing.
I've been fed it all from the Jaco camp since I started almost 9 years ago.
It still does absolutely zip.
For some, excitement is sitting alone in your room, working out a Jaco solo or whatever. Others, it's in front of 10,000 screaming people playing 3 chords and a minor.
I only argue this topic so heatedly because so many of the Jaco or elitist or what the crap ever fools w/ blinders on seem to think the latter is somehow "less", when in reality, and outside of bassdom, nobody really cares...
The fact of the matter is, there's a lot more arrogant, stuck up @-holes coming from his side about this topic. For people who preach "acceptance" for styles others don't particularly like, there's way, way too much condemnation and overall rudeness and ignorance of that same "acceptance" that isn't being practiced. Or even attempted.
Quit with the double standards, and maybe people will start to open up and/or listen.
It's very sad to see attitudes from "mature" or "seasoned" bassists with this outlook. It's so prevalent here it's beyond laughable. Mostly why I don't even get involved w/ these threads.
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My favorite bass players change as fast as my moods. I could like one player one day and an hour later wonder what was I thinking? It's the same as discovering a tune you fall in love with, but sure enuf, hear it enuf, play it enuf and soon enuf it's on a *hit list.
As far as Jaco, I learned a bit from his style and I thought he was cool when he was first around but he wore out his welcome in a place where I knew the owner and the rest is history. R.I.P. Jaco, you're okay.
As far as Jaco, I learned a bit from his style and I thought he was cool when he was first around but he wore out his welcome in a place where I knew the owner and the rest is history. R.I.P. Jaco, you're okay.
What it with this notion that you have to work at something like music to get it? Said it before, and I'll say it again - I think that sounds like elitist BS (and it has nothing to do with Jaco). I understand that not everyone is capable of playing/understanding the theory and details of jazz music, but give me break here. IMO, music should always come down to "I like what I HEAR". When I got my first insert band name here record at insert young age here, I had no clue about how to play music, bass, or anything else. I didn't understand roots, fifths, 4:4, majors, minors, octaves, etc - all of which are part of rock music. It was simple....WOW - I really like this music, or something about this music is exciting kind of thing.
Music is something you judge for yourself by what you hear, not what you have studied or worked to hear. I'm sure that tons of Toby Keith fans have no idea how play three chords and sing a melody, but hey - millions of peope buy that stuff...I would guess because they like what they here.
One last analogy. I like watching football, A LOT. I don't know what the hell it means when the QB says "59 CROSS POWER TRAP BLUE X-Y SLOT ON 4". But yet I still enjoy watching a guy drop back and throw a touchdown pass? Does this mean I should put more work in, and actually study the playbook terms so that I have a deep understanding of the fundamentals of the game, or can I just get pumped when my team scores a TD not knowing what all 11 guys were doing on the play to make the scenario possible?
What you hear is what draws you to the music in the first place, not what you know about theory.
Some poeple don't like Jaco, or jazz players in general - so get over it. It has nothing to do with "getting it" or not.
UGH.....what a stupid agrument
Music is something you judge for yourself by what you hear, not what you have studied or worked to hear. I'm sure that tons of Toby Keith fans have no idea how play three chords and sing a melody, but hey - millions of peope buy that stuff...I would guess because they like what they here.
One last analogy. I like watching football, A LOT. I don't know what the hell it means when the QB says "59 CROSS POWER TRAP BLUE X-Y SLOT ON 4". But yet I still enjoy watching a guy drop back and throw a touchdown pass? Does this mean I should put more work in, and actually study the playbook terms so that I have a deep understanding of the fundamentals of the game, or can I just get pumped when my team scores a TD not knowing what all 11 guys were doing on the play to make the scenario possible?
What you hear is what draws you to the music in the first place, not what you know about theory.
Some poeple don't like Jaco, or jazz players in general - so get over it. It has nothing to do with "getting it" or not.
UGH.....what a stupid agrument
Whether you like Jaco or not, his bass playing is an indispensible style for the knowledgeable bassist.
There is a Jaco style, a Jamerson style, a McCartney style, an Entwistle style, a Bootsy style, a Flea style..... A versatile player will know what each of these styles is about and be able to play something along these lines if asked.
Personally, Jaco was a major influence on me when I started pplaying bass. My technique pretty much originates directly out of his instruction booklet and I still refresh myself with it often. My second big influence was the Shadows of Mowtown book.
Do I listen to much Jaco now? No. Do I play much like Jaco now? Sometimes (rippling 16ths, harmonics. Do I respect Jaco's playing style. Tremendously.
There is a Jaco style, a Jamerson style, a McCartney style, an Entwistle style, a Bootsy style, a Flea style..... A versatile player will know what each of these styles is about and be able to play something along these lines if asked.
Personally, Jaco was a major influence on me when I started pplaying bass. My technique pretty much originates directly out of his instruction booklet and I still refresh myself with it often. My second big influence was the Shadows of Mowtown book.
Do I listen to much Jaco now? No. Do I play much like Jaco now? Sometimes (rippling 16ths, harmonics. Do I respect Jaco's playing style. Tremendously.
I don't love everything he's done. That's about as close as I can get on this one.
I think I can listen critically even to those I artists I like.
Whether you like Jaco or not, his bass playing is an indispensible style for the knowledgeable bassist.
There is a Jaco style, a Jamerson style, a McCartney style, an Entwistle style, a Bootsy style, a Flea style..... A versatile player will know what each of these styles is about and be able to play something along these lines if asked.
Personally, Jaco was a major influence on me when I started pplaying bass. My technique pretty much originates directly out of his instruction booklet and I still refresh myself with it often. My second big influence was the Shadows of Mowtown book.
Do I listen to much Jaco now? No. Do I play much like Jaco now? Sometimes (rippling 16ths, harmonics. Do I respect Jaco's playing style. Tremendously.
There is a Jaco style, a Jamerson style, a McCartney style, an Entwistle style, a Bootsy style, a Flea style..... A versatile player will know what each of these styles is about and be able to play something along these lines if asked.
Personally, Jaco was a major influence on me when I started pplaying bass. My technique pretty much originates directly out of his instruction booklet and I still refresh myself with it often. My second big influence was the Shadows of Mowtown book.
Do I listen to much Jaco now? No. Do I play much like Jaco now? Sometimes (rippling 16ths, harmonics. Do I respect Jaco's playing style. Tremendously.
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