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Are we just getting too soft?
- Thread starter Metalbasspro
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Tell the family of PFC Wilson how soft he was.
Man, you are just too serious these days. To be sure you understand that I meant as a general rule and not every single solitary young person on the planet.
I can't imagine you want to argue that young adults on average today are as grown, tough, or ready for the world as the young adults on average in 1945.
I'm not sure what neighborhood you live in. If I go outside where I live and even say "I don't like your coat" to a random guy and I will make him cry and set off demonstrations by the local hippies in my front yard. I would be arrested for a hate crime within minutes (even if we were the same race and gender...... they would find a way), be on the news by 11 and never work in this town again. I would be forced to use my own money to build a "safe space park" where my now burned house used to stand and where the random guys of America would not be subjected to my coatism. There. I said it. I'm a coatist.
I think it's about sensory depravation. Solitary confinement can do funny things to people over time, as can a bland tasteless diet.
I think there are lessons to be learned regarding space travel, or colonizing Mars. If you have limited resources, it may not be enough to simply supply something nutritious that supply's all of the requirements to sustain life if it ends up driving people insane over time.
I think there are lessons to be learned regarding space travel, or colonizing Mars. If you have limited resources, it may not be enough to simply supply something nutritious that supply's all of the requirements to sustain life if it ends up driving people insane over time.
You're really not helping to dispel any stereotypes about old people here.I'm not sure what neighborhood you live in. If I go outside where I live and even say "I don't like your coat" to a random guy and I will make him cry and set off demonstrations by the local hippies in my front yard. I would be arrested for a hate crime within minutes (even if we were the same race and gender...... they would find a way), be on the news by 11 and never work in this town again. I would be forced to use my own money to build a "safe space park" where my now burned house used to stand and where the random guys of America would not be subjected to my coatism. There. I said it. I'm a coatist.
I'm not old....... Unless you consider a 44 year old 6'2" with a 32 inch waste, spikey hair and two children under 7 old. Then I guess I'm old?
Heck, man, I was beating high school wide receivers and soccer players (my cousins kids) in sprints at the family Christmas get together not 6 hours ago! And I still have enough energy to be sitting here assembling doll houses after midnight.
Psh! Old...... Whatevz.
(Now where'd I put my Ibuprofen and Bengay?)
Well you certainly come off as old by railing against a generalized perception of a zeitgeist you're out of touch with.I'm not old....... Unless you consider a 44 year old 6'2" with a 32 inch waste, spikey hair and two children under 7 old. Then I guess I'm old?
Heck, man, I was beating high school wide receivers and soccer players (my cousins kids) in sprints at the family Christmas get together not 6 hours ago! And I still have enough energy to be sitting here assembling doll houses after midnight.
Psh! Old...... Whatevz.
(Now where'd I put my Ibuprofen and Bengay?)
Most of the replies here confirm that we are in fact, too soft now.
Prisons are meant to be a deterrent to crime, not some place to hug and cry your problems away. When I was a kid, even if he thought of going to jail scared the hell out of you. That was why you didn't break the law, not the threat of rehabilitation. Prisons are for punishment. You lock up a person, and make their lives so utterly miserable that they don't want to go back.
Prisons are meant to be a deterrent to crime, not some place to hug and cry your problems away. When I was a kid, even if he thought of going to jail scared the hell out of you. That was why you didn't break the law, not the threat of rehabilitation. Prisons are for punishment. You lock up a person, and make their lives so utterly miserable that they don't want to go back.
Except it works the opposite way in reality.
Ya but every time a bad ass military man is killed it just leaves the soft people left.
I'm not sure what neighborhood you live in. If I go outside where I live and even say "I don't like your coat" to a random guy and I will make him cry and set off demonstrations by the local hippies in my front yard. I would be arrested for a hate crime within minutes (even if we were the same race and gender...... they would find a way), be on the news by 11 and never work in this town again. I would be forced to use my own money to build a "safe space park" where my now burned house used to stand and where the random guys of America would not be subjected to my coatism. There. I said it. I'm a coatist.
I've never been to a neighborhood like that. I thought it just existed in the dreams of political candidates and talk show hosts.
(Sigh) Yes, because anyone who thinks or feels differently from you gets his marching orders from "yonder radio raht thar".
Wow. The times have changed around here. Off Topic used to be a section where thoughts could be exchanged but people weren't taken so literally. Surely you don't think I believe I would actually be arrested for a comment about someone's coat, do you.l? Never mind that I never even gave a fictional age, gender or race for the person I may or may not have offended in my fictional rant. So, exactly which zeitgeist am I supposed to be out of touch with? My own perhaps? Because I thought we were talking about where we live. And most of the people in a suburban country neighborhood built around horse stables look a lot like me.
That being said, it is a college town. And the only people more easily offended than college students are college professors. So I'm surrounded by delicate little flowers everywhere I turn. I moved to this neighborhood specifically because it had no neighborhood association. (Look up the term restrictive covenant some time when you want a good read.) And ever since the day I moved in I have been getting letters and petition requests to start one. Why? Because these seemingly open minded educators around here are getting sick and tired of all the liberty going on. People flying American or Christians flags are offensive. People putting up Christmas decorations that make children smile are offensive. Kids riding around horse trails on golf carts are offensive. People having a kids' birthday pool party at 12 noon on Saturday are offensive. Old veterans with ham radio antennas are offensive. Literally, any house with a fence that is anything other than white made to the specs they prefer is offensive.
So, no, Francis, you don't exactly have me figured out, do you. You didn't exactly know what you were talking about when you tried to call me out now did you?
(It's OK. I already knew you didn't anyway.)
Seriously. You could not have taken the whole getting arrested for coatism thing literally. Maybe you could. Fun seems to be a bit extinct around here lately.
Merry Christmas anyway.
I don't know a single person, not one, who has gone to prison. The generation that I grew up with didn't break the law, because we were terrified of prison. We said, "yes sir" to the police, and respected their authority.
Today's kids, not so much.
Except as a deterrent they only have limited value.
More people are in prisons now than when you were a kid, even with heavier sentencing and more crimes that prison can be used as a sentence.
And who said prison is for punishment only, anyway? It's also to remove people from society if they pose a danger to it.
But if you are going to punish people, most of us would agree that depriving people of their liberty is sufficient for all crimes. Does torturing people and making them suffer continuously do anything to make society safer or bring justice or reparation for their crimes? Does it make amends to the victims or decrease their suffering.
Your attitude is barbaric and medieval, and brings zero benefit to a society except to make official and sanction violence by the state, and it has been proven repeatedly over time in many cultures to not only not deter crime but to increade the chance of recidivism and to have a wider social affect through the families of those given long sentences and the inability of those returning to society to re-adapt and find legal employment.
No one in your generation broke the law, yup, that's right.
And now you have the highest rates of incarceration in THE WORLD because people don't yessir/nossir the police.
Sounds plausible.
A lack of blind respect for authority is one of the great advances the last few generations has made. The opposite became an American ideal when?
Agree to disagree.
There's a reason that people don't want to go to Mexican, or Turkish jails. They have a reputation that horrifies sane people.
When that kid was caned in the Phillipines years ago, the uproar was incredible in North America but I'd guarantee you that he wouldn't have stolen if he realized the punishment was that harsh. Criminals beg their embassies to let them serve their sentences over here rather than in the countries where they broke the laws because they don't want the punishment that those "medieval" countries inflict.
Poor babies.
There's a difference between breaking the law, and going to prison. I occasionally speed in my truck, because I weigh the price of the ticket against the convenience of arriving at my destination on time.
I don't hold up a liquor store, because there is NOTHING that is more important than staying out of prison. Nothing.
As for respect disappearing, it's been happening for about 15 years IMO, give or take. But it has fallen off a cliff for about the last 10 years.
You are judging the other countries' prisons by stereotyping what you've learned from movies, "news", and word of mouth. Yes, there are prisons that are worse than those in the US, probably far worse.
But the US has a higher rate of incarceration than nearly every other country on the whole planet. And don't think the way we treated (or are treating) prisoners in Gitmo is really keeping with previous agreements, like that convention thing.
