AudioKinesis 112 Cab

[JimmyM]

duke, there is absolutely no need to credit me for anything. i merely suggested it...you designed it all by yourself, so i consider it the duke switch. also, even though people do sometimes take logos off, more often than not they leave them on, especially if it's from a new indie builder that your customers really like. i am so glad for you the thunderchild is taking off...now ship them with logos and take the bows you deserve...the mi world is no place for modesty

 

[JimmyM]

Hey Jimmy,

I switch between the three horn settings in my first clip briefly. However, the entire clip with the green Alleva-Coppolo was recorded with the horn in the 3.5K gentle roll-off position and with the fat, warm, LMII. It sounds really good to me!

sorry ken...my internet is really slow here and i was having a hard time figuring out what was what just because pages were loading so slow. seems a little better today so i shall go back and try it again.

edit: finally, internet is working better! that is HOT with the rolloff! sounds like there is enough treble for guys like me who like the svt 810 5k rolloff, but without all the higher freq stuff that sounds great in your hands but turns to clank in my ham fists. i think the fact that it gently rolls off starting at 3.5k instead of cutting it all off at once like a paper cone is the ticket.

also, i vote for the logo on the left side as well

 

[bobcruz]

... The gentle tweeter rolloff switch was indeed Jimmy's idea; I apologize for not giving credit where credit was due before now. Thank you very much, Jimmy! The switch was not as straightforward to implement as I thought it would be, but I'm happy with the way it turned out. Maybe we can call it the "Jimmy Switch"?? ...

The switch might be patentable. It's something I'd consider retrofitting in my existing cabs. Props to Jimmy for a great idea.

 

[John D Harris]

=wr=

That's sweet right there!

I'd sure love to have the $$$ for one of these.
Maybe I need to flip some stuff.
Wonder how the EA iAmp Pro would sound with the Thunderchild...

 

[KJung]

That's sweet right there!

I'd sure love to have the $$$ for one of these.
Maybe I need to flip some stuff.
Wonder how the EA iAmp Pro would sound with the Thunderchild...

WAY too much power for a 4ohm 112 cab. I'm sure it would sound fine, but you would have to be very careful.

The other thing with the iAmps is that they have a bit of that Tecamp Puma voicing going on... with the hi pass filtering set very low (like the old SWR400 amps). LOT's of energy sent below most cabs' tuning (the Thunderchild included). Lots of wasted energy and LOTS of massive driver pistoning with that kind of voicing. One of the large 12/6/1 boxes at 8ohms or 1212/6/1 boxes at 4ohms would be a better match (IMO) with that head.

A typical 500 watt micro like the LMII is capable of driving this cab to full performance, which is one of the cool things about it!

 

[JimmyM]

The switch might be patentable. It's something I'd consider retrofitting in my existing cabs. Props to Jimmy for a great idea.

no, no props to me, bob! i only had the idea and i had no idea it could even be done. as a matter of fact, if i recall, my suggestion was to use a paper cone mid driver and a horn. duke rightly rejected that idea because the horn was key to matching the radiation pattern of the woofer, and came up with his crossover network instead. duke thought of how to implement it all on his lonesome with no design input from me at all.

 

[Bernie Connors]

Am I the only one thinking that this cab would be right up Anthony Jackson's alley? Millennia HV3B, Krell power amp and a couple TC112's. Nice!

 

[mothra2]

Am I the only one thinking that this cab would be right up Anthony Jackson's alley? Millennia HV3B, Krell power amp and a couple TC112's. Nice!

+1

Actually the Meyer cab he uses crosses over much lower than the TC ... more like where Dukes 2X12 might be crossed, but ...

 

[JimmyM]

Am I the only one thinking that this cab would be right up Anthony Jackson's alley? Millennia HV3B, Krell power amp and a couple TC112's. Nice!

the first on here maybe, but i told duke this sounds like it would be good for guys using meyer cabs like anthony or sting when i beta tested the 212 cab. of course, the meyers are into a whole new cost realm and he and sting can afford it. but for folks like me who would like to have a meyer and can't afford it, ths'll be a great alternative.

 

[Lowtonejoe]

Maybe this?

I like it anyway.



Joe.

 

[JimmyM]

it ain't bad at all, joe.

 

[JimmyM]

Duke; if it's twice the cost of a thunderchild, I think you'd do better modularizing them and making the thunderchild's form factor more stack friendly (and using those sweet clamps to make things carry like one cab).

The main reason for a 2x cab is -- 1 trip, and saving a lot of money. If it's twice the cost I don't see the market being there.

I could be wrong, but them's my thoughts.

i think you best wait till you see and hear it to make that kind of determination, rp. you really have no clue what this cab is about yet, and i have never seen anything like this in bass cabs in almost 35 years of playing.

plus not only will it be good for bass, but it will be what i think is an excellent small pa system. the main reason i got it, quite honestly, wasn't because i needed a bass cab. i've got all the bass cabs i ever need. i got it because i thought it would be fantastic for a smallish pa system that can do some serious volume. honestly, i think that's an even bigger market for duke with that cab than bass. of course, that doesn't diminish its capability as a bass cab in the least and i will no doubt use it as such. just a side benny that turned out to be the main attraction for me.

wow, look at me...for once, i'm an industry insider

 

[rpsands]

I really have no clue what two 3012LFs are about? Are you crazy?

I know what good horns sound like too; you do too. You ever worked with a high end horn crossed over with DSP autoeq? Yeah me too.

I think I know exactly what they are about. While the crossover to the horn is great and I am sure it's awesome, I have some serious doubts about whether people are going to pay 1400 dollars for a 2x12 with 150 dollar woofers -- and that doesn't get more than 4db or so more max output than the stock Thunderchild (and a quarter octave of low end extension).

I'm not bagging on Duke because I think he's awesome and doing great work, but I don't think there's a lot of market for the 2x12 model. Just my opinion. You start looking at 1400-1500 bucks and you're talking getting a high end powered cab with same capabilities.

 

[John D Harris]

WAY too much power for a 4ohm 112 cab. I'm sure it would sound fine, but you would have to be very careful.

The other thing with the iAmps is that they have a bit of that Tecamp Puma voicing going on... with the hi pass filtering set very low (like the old SWR400 amps). LOT's of energy sent below most cabs' tuning (the Thunderchild included). Lots of wasted energy and LOTS of massive driver pistoning with that kind of voicing. One of the large 12/6/1 boxes at 8ohms or 1212/6/1 boxes at 4ohms would be a better match (IMO) with that head.

A typical 500 watt micro like the LMII is capable of driving this cab to full performance, which is one of the cool things about it!

Agreed, you'd have to drive it carefully.
I'm sure that I could EQ out some of the low-bass if the Pro is anything like the iAmp-800.
If the Pro is more like my iAmp-600, I think it would sound fabulous set flat!

 

[JimmyM]

I really have no clue what two 3012LFs are about? Are you crazy?

no, you really don't have any idea what they're about in this cab. you only think you do because you've heard a cab with two 3012lf's.

I think I know exactly what they are about.

correct...you think you do

While the crossover to the horn is great and I am sure it's awesome, I have some serious doubts about whether people are going to pay 1400 dollars for a 2x12 with 150 dollar woofers -- and that doesn't get more than 4db or so more max output than the stock Thunderchild (and a quarter octave of low end extension).

bergantino sure sells a lot of nv610's at $1400. i believe mesa has a couple $1400 cabs they don't have any trouble moving, too.

I'm not bagging on Duke because I think he's awesome and doing great work, but I don't think there's a lot of market for the 2x12 model. Just my opinion.

boy, i'm gonna laugh my head off when you see it and this post comes back to bite you on your ass will everyone rush out and buy it? of course not. not everyone will buy a thunder child when you can get an avatar 112 for $200 either, but there's no doubt in my mind that duke will sell as many of both models as he can make.

how come alleva coppolo can make a $3500 precision that sells well and you don't believe a $1400 cab would sell? get real.

 

[rpsands]

The 3500 precision has a markup high enough that you can get by with selling a few of them; the time and effort involved in designing and prototyping combined with the profit margins are a lot different on the cabinet.

Bergantino doesn't sell any NV610s at 1400. The map price is 1200, and very few people pay that I'd wager The Thunderchild twin would probably see a lot of market at 11-1200, but 1400 is a far cry from that.

Clearly you know everything Jimmy, so I will back off and let you to it. No one in the history of pro audio has ever used electronic crossovers and eq to do something like Duke is doing here...ever.

 

[naturalkinds]

The 3500 precision has a markup high enough that you can get by with selling a few of them; the time and effort involved in designing and prototyping combined with the profit margins are a lot different on the cabinet.

Not to mention that Fender did all the R&D on the $3500 clone in the 1950s.

 

[DukeLeJeune]

Rpsands, I don't blame you for taking the position you do re: knowing what two 3012LFs sound like, but in the case of my 2x12 cab they will interact with the room a little bit differently from what most people are used to. It's not really just a big Thunderchild ("Thunderteen"?); it's something else.

My out-of-pocket on the 2x12 is more than twice my out-of-pocket on a single Thunderchild.

I really hadn't thought about competing with Meyersound and am flattered at the thought. I'm content for now just to compete with other bass cabs that are voiced in the same general category as what I'm shooting for... and I'm not exactly sure what the name for that would be. Sorry for the newbie question... but, what would ya'll call the type of voicing you hear in my cab?

Thanks!

 

[rpsands]

Rpsands, I don't blame you for taking the position you do re: knowing what two 3012LFs sound like, but in the case of my 2x12 cab they will interact with the room a little bit differently from what most people are used to. It's not really just a big Thunderchild ("Thunderteen"?); it's something else.

My out-of-pocket on the 2x12 is more than twice my out-of-pocket on a single Thunderchild.

Thanks!

Yeah, I can accept this and I don't mean to sound like I'm accusing you of price gouging or any such thing. And absolutely there is a lot to be gained from excellent crossover design and controlled radiation of a waveguide/constant directivity horn vs. the irregular falloff of a midrange driver.

I really hope it all works out for you man, I am definitely one of your biggest supporters! I'll even be buying a Thunderchild if I can get around to selling some stuff.

 

[JimmyM]

The 3500 precision has a markup high enough that you can get by with selling a few of them; the time and effort involved in designing and prototyping combined with the profit margins are a lot different on the cabinet.

Bergantino doesn't sell any NV610s at 1400. The map price is 1200, and very few people pay that I'd wager The Thunderchild twin would probably see a lot of market at 11-1200, but 1400 is a far cry from that.

Clearly you know everything Jimmy, so I will back off and let you to it. No one in the history of pro audio has ever used electronic crossovers and eq to do something like Duke is doing here...ever.

i know everything about duke's 212 cab, that is true. ok, i don't know EVERYTHING, but i know how it's designed, and if you think it's a double thunder child, you clearly don't understand what it's about. which is fair...you haven't seen it or heard it and i've seen and heard the prototype so naturally i would know more about it than you. nothing to get all snippy about. calm down.

all i'm saying is don't make a judgment about the cost until you've at least seen it and understand what it does.