AudioKinesis 112 Cab

[Bernie Connors]

ok, screw the NDA...i'm spilling the beans. the secret of duke's cab is it's made with love.

Clearly, that's what's missing from the rest of the cabs in the bass world.

 

[loopee]

I've just been listening to that clip once again today and I must say I really like the Thunderchild with the LMII

now, if I could get that in a smaller package (less than 30lbs) I'd be over the moon......you could call it ThunderTot

ooohhhhh - I like that cab with the LMII....would also be wonderful to hear what that cab and head would sound with some flatwounds.......

 

[bobcruz]

ThunderDad? ThunderGod?

How about Zeus? He's the *real* Thunderdaddy!

Or how about Thor, the Norse hammer-wielding god associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength, destruction, fertility, healing and the protection of mankind? I mention this because my jazz band is called The Jazz Hammer of Thor and I could use an endorsement deal....

 

[JimmyM]

if duke names it the thor my deal to buy two is off. holy crap, i'm not playing in gwar, fer chrissakes!

i think he should call it the poontang magnet

 

[rpsands]

I'd vote for calling it the Lamp.

 

[thudfromafar]

I haven't seen much mention at all of the "MRL" cabinet.
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Mr. Duke, are you still going ahead with this?
I may be most interested in that.

 

[hamertek98]

Call it (212) THE DUKE, ThunderBritches, ThunderPUNK ThunderBass, Thunder 24, Thunder 24+, Thunder1212.... just don't get this thread closed for the BS. Duke has a GREAT thing going here. I wish I was in a situation to do more than lust.

 

[DukeLeJeune]

now, if I could get that in a smaller package (less than 30lbs) I'd be over the moon....

I have some ideas, but that project may get pushed back; looks like I'm going to be busier than I thought.

... my jazz band is called The Jazz Hammer of Thor.... )

My longest-running home audio speaker is called the Link Removed; how 'bout one with speakons??

;^)

I haven't seen much mention at all of the "MRL" cabinet.
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Mr. Duke, are you still going ahead with this?
I may be most interested in that.

The MRL cabinets are in my basement now, but they're empty; I've used the drivers in other projects. I haven't been campaigning MRL because Thunderchild is a lot more competitive in the bass cab market. It's more efficient, less expensive, lighter, still has adequate low end for most people, and is a 4-ohm load. MRL on the other hand goes deeper and sounds a bit better; it actually uses the same woofer and compression driver as in my home audio Rhythm Prisms, along with a higher power-handling version of the same crossover. In retrospect, if fills a need that's not really there (that of a multi-role loudspeaker).

 

[loopee]

ahhhh shucks!!!!! I was ready to send $$$$

 

[thudfromafar]

The MRL cabinets are in my basement now, but they're empty; I've used the drivers in other projects. I haven't been campaigning MRL because Thunderchild is a lot more competitive in the bass cab market. It's more efficient, less expensive, lighter, still has adequate low end for most people, and is a 4-ohm load. MRL on the other hand goes deeper and sounds a bit better; it actually uses the same woofer and compression driver as in my home audio Rhythm Prisms, along with a higher power-handling version of the same crossover. In retrospect, if fills a need that's not really there (that of a multi-role loudspeaker).

I see... I'm a multi-instrumentalist and really want a great studio monitor of sorts, and a cab that can be used for anything. My gigging bass cab situation is pretty much covered. I'm trying to pursue the best option that I can afford in terms of sound quality. It would be a one time purchase that would hopefully last a really long time!

 

[DukeLeJeune]

On the logo issue, my brother (who designed the logo seen previously, and who also designed my website) will be revisiting the logo with an eye towards something that would go on a black bass cab.

 

[major10th]

Is it, per chance, named after the torpedo ram from War of the Worlds?

 

[tombowlus]

Not to mention that Fender did all the R&D on the $3500 clone in the 1950s.

LOL! Now that is sig-worthy!

 

[Bernie Connors]

I have some ideas, but that project may get pushed back; looks like I'm going to be busier than I thought.

The Talkbass Effect strikes again.

That's great to hear.

 

[tombowlus]

The MRL cabinets are in my basement now, but they're empty; I've used the drivers in other projects. I haven't been campaigning MRL because Thunderchild is a lot more competitive in the bass cab market. It's more efficient, less expensive, lighter, still has adequate low end for most people, and is a 4-ohm load. MRL on the other hand goes deeper and sounds a bit better; it actually uses the same woofer and compression driver as in my home audio Rhythm Prisms, along with a higher power-handling version of the same crossover. In retrospect, if fills a need that's not really there (that of a multi-role loudspeaker).

FWIW, Duke, I am pretty much equally excited about the Thunderchild, MRL, and the forthcoming 2x12 design (for which I have some name ideas, but as they would possibly give hints to the design, I'll PM those to you, if you like). The merits of the Thunderchild have been widely discussed herein, and I'm definitely a big fan of the design. But my head is also spinning with regard to all the different ways to work an MRL or two into either my bass rig or PA.

 

[Bmorefoozler]

no, you really don't have any idea what they're about in this cab. you only think you do because you've heard a cab with two 3012lf's.


correct...you think you do


bergantino sure sells a lot of nv610's at $1400. i believe mesa has a couple $1400 cabs they don't have any trouble moving, too.


boy, i'm gonna laugh my head off when you see it and this post comes back to bite you on your ass will everyone rush out and buy it? of course not. not everyone will buy a thunder child when you can get an avatar 112 for $200 either, but there's no doubt in my mind that duke will sell as many of both models as he can make.

how come alleva coppolo can make a $3500 precision that sells well and you don't believe a $1400 cab would sell? get real.

That's almost exactly what the El Whappo Jr Costs too... I don't think they sell A LOT of them, but they sure sell some.

 

[Bmorefoozler]

ThunderDad? ThunderGod?

Thor...

 

[KJung]

The MRL cabinets are in my basement now, but they're empty; I've used the drivers in other projects. I haven't been campaigning MRL because Thunderchild is a lot more competitive in the bass cab market. It's more efficient, less expensive, lighter, still has adequate low end for most people, and is a 4-ohm load. MRL on the other hand goes deeper and sounds a bit better; it actually uses the same woofer and compression driver as in my home audio Rhythm Prisms, along with a higher power-handling version of the same crossover. In retrospect, if fills a need that's not really there (that of a multi-role loudspeaker).

+1 The MRL seems to be a 'direct alternative' to the 12/6/1 boxes (like the fEarful and LDS boxes). Same 'off the shelf' 3012LF (from the description on that retail site), and that lower crossover point and deeper voicing of the driver would most likely, IMO, result in the deeper, smoother, more creamier tone that is a bit more similar to the 12/6/1 boxes. While 'on paper', less midrange distortion and a deeper voiced low end would 'seem' to sound 'better', for many bass guitar applications, that would not be the case, where a little more character in the midrange from the top of the driver (I guess the price there is a touch narrower dispersion) is a very good thing.

When you combine that with the higher cost and 8ohm impedance (and lower SPL.... which makes matching a head with a single one of these a bit of an issue), I think you are focusing on exactly the right thing with the Thunderchild.... nothing else like it that I'm aware of (regarding impedance, size, weight, low end, max SPL, etc.).

Now, if you could (as was mentioned above), get proprietary 8ohm 3012LF's that matched your current 4ohm voicing, and created a 'Thunderchild 2 4ohm' with the same small footprint, 212 and the same horn for a price that is the typical 20% less than 2 x Thunderchild, I think you would sell a bunch of them!

 

[Bmorefoozler]

+1 The MRL seems to be a 'direct alternative' to the 12/6/1 boxes (like the fEarful and LDS boxes). Same 'off the shelf' 3012LF (from the description on that retail site), and that lower crossover point and deeper voicing of the driver would most likely, IMO, result in the deeper, smoother, more creamier tone that is a bit more similar to the 12/6/1 boxes. While 'on paper', less midrange distortion and a deeper voiced low end would 'seem' to sound 'better', for many bass guitar applications, that would not be the case, where a little more character in the midrange from the top of the driver (I guess the price there is a touch narrower dispersion) is a very good thing.

When you combine that with the higher cost and 8ohm impedance (and lower SPL.... which makes matching a head with a single one of these a bit of an issue), I think you are focusing on exactly the right thing with the Thunderchild.... nothing else like it that I'm aware of (regarding impedance, size, weight, low end, max SPL, etc.).

Now, if you could (as was mentioned above), get proprietary 8ohm 3012LF's that matched your current 4ohm voicing, and created a 'Thunderchild 2 4ohm' with the same small footprint, 212 and the same horn for a price that is the typical 20% less than 2 x Thunderchild, I think you would sell a bunch of them!

I agree that the Thusderchild is the "sweetspot". I think Duke took his time to enter the market with the right product. The market for small, low and loud is upon is, and with the typical MicroHead this seems the closest thing to lack of compromise that exists. The MRL would be MUCH quieter with the same LM2or 3 for example.
Coming in after this with the Flagship, and then perhaps as you suggest a middle, "Conjoined ThunderChildren" that hits RpSands suggested $1k-1200 sweet spot would be a pretty full product line.

 

[rpsands]

Now, if you could (as was mentioned above), get proprietary 8ohm 3012LF's that matched your current 4ohm voicing, and created a 'Thunderchild 2 4ohm' with the same small footprint, 212 and the same horn for a price that is the typical 20% less than 2 x Thunderchild, I think you would sell a bunch of them!

I think this is a lot better angle than the other 2x12. It'd be as loud as an AE212 or some other high end 2x12 with twice the power handling and superior dispersion =) That there's a big market for.

But, I haven't seen the magic yet that is in the new 2x12 cab.