What would be the difference between the hathor 212 and tc212?
The TC's use very high quality HF drivers & wave guides.
The Hathor's use paper cone drivers - iirc, 3" to 5" together with special rear wave chambering to openings to the top & sides of the cabinet.
Duke also has switch controlled crossovers that make the most of good driver selection & cabinet design & tuning (with port plugs for even more tunable low end options).
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any points.
You're right on all points, thanks for posting.
The Thunderchild cabs will do the "studio smooth" thing. Thunderchilds 112 in 8 ohms and 212 (which uses the same woofer) have a little bit of grindy available at a switch-flip, but not much. The new version of the Thunderchild 115 that SpankyPants - ah, make that Mr. SpankyPants -
mentioned has a bit more of the grindy going on, so it's the most versatile tone-wise of the Thunderchild series. It's not as grindy as a Hathor cab, but it comes the closest.
The Hathor series came along later, after I came up with a theory as to where the goal posts are for electric bass. Briefly, the Hathor cabs zig and zag in approximate mirror-image of where most electric guitar cabs zag and zig. The intention is to "slot" well in the mix. So where the guitars are loud, the Hathor cabs step back a bit let them own that sonic turf. But then where the guitars tend to be more laid back, we can step forward and have our grindy without stepping on anyone's sonic toes and possibly instigating a volume war. The grindy can be tamed via a switch if you want a smoother sound. Unfortunately none of the Hathor cabs can really mimic the smoothy of the Thunderchild series, but the forthcoming Hathor 212 might come pretty close.
[Re: Hathor 212 w/cone mid + tweet] How about ditch the tweeter and have a 6" and a 3"? Or a pair of 3". To me Hathor = paper cone = big win.
The horn tweeter would be coming in fairly high up, and imo a good tweeter is sweeter in the treble than a good paper cone. If you wanted that paper cone vibe, you'd just switch the horn off. My hope is to make the Hathor 212 more tonally versatile than the other Hathor cabs have been.
Which driver is this [in the SpankyPants's new Thunderchild 115]? It replaced the original? And which setting do you consider "grindy"? Thanks!
Eminence has made a new custom 15" Kappalite-based woofer for me that has a peak where I want one, and no peaks where I don't want any. "Grindy" mode would be with the peak left in, and "smoothy" mode would be with the peak filtered out, and there's a switch on the back of the cab for that. The woofer was originally developed for a Hathor series cab but I thought it might work well in a Thunderchild cab if I got the switch to work well.
Speaking of "new designs": A different thing but, what i thought may be my "dream standalone cab": a TC 112 with the mid drivers and chambers of the hathor instead of the horn. I own a TC 112v1 and sometimes miss the cutting mids a little bit but like the low end extension of it very much (apart from everything else). Haven't heard, played the Hathor in Reality though, only heard in clips here, but as i heard and read it doesn't extend as low as the TC; (is smaller, lighter, more portable, tighter (?) therefore, of course)
As i understood, a "growly-switch" on the newer version of the TC was a step in that direction.
Just an idea, if not already mentioned before. May also be to much, "messing up the lines", but thats what i thought.
The Hathor 1203 is my answer to calls for a 110 cab. I looked at all the available 10" woofers and decided that the Kappalite 3012LF shoehorned into as small a box as reasonably possible was the best 110-ish cab I could do.
That being said, it is possible that I might do a TC112-sized Hathor cab one day, but it doesn't push the boundaries of my product line as far as some other things I have in mind, so that day is probably not right around the corner.
The growly switch in the new TC115 is made possible by my custom woofer. I'd need to use a midrange driver to bring on the growly with the other woofers I use.
Thank you all for the suggestions!
