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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

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winegamd said:
One thing the Fearless and Barefaced will have a hard time doing is matching the transient response of the threes in the high midrange region. The Faital 5 is nice but not as detailed and quick as the threes. The bare faced might have a lowish crossover for the horn, I'm not not sure since it isn't listed, but I am sure the woofer is playing higher up into the upper mids where the size and mass of the cone are going to start losing detail compared to the threes. The threes can cross over low enough that it gets the crossover Freq out of the range where our ears are most sensitive, so I am betting that off axis the Hathor's are going to sound closer to a single point source. This is all Audiophile speak, but, if you want the best sound and most detail possible those magic little threes are the ticket.
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Thank you very much, but it's all tradeoffs! For every thing that the 3" cone does better, there is something else that a good 5" cone or high-quality horn does better. One might even say, "pick your poison"! Fortunately for me, some of you guys find my brand of poison to be among the more palatable... but mine is certainly not the only deceptively tasty poison out there!!
 
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DukeLeJeune said:
Nostatic may be right that the "zig where the guitars zag" voicing of the Hathors (and Changelings) makes them sit in the mix well, even if they aren't particularly loud. That was my intention anyway.
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To me the key is the 3" paper cone. A compression driver just doesn't sound the same and it doesn't present the note attack in the same way. Mostly in the overtones, and especially if you're using some dirt or things are grinding hard.
 
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svtb15 said:
Any word when the 1855 AK cabs are going to be back up on the site
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shrigg said:
There is a new version coming soon... Right, @DukeLeJeune? :cool:
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Current plans are that the Hathor 1855 will be replaced by two cabs... one version with a 6" cone mid + two 3" cone tweets, and the other with a 6" cone mid + 1" horn tweet.

lookiel said:
I’m looking forward to hearing the Changeling 15 deets;)
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Similar specs to the Hathor 1533, but 4 ohms only instead of "4/8" ohms, and several pounds heavier. I forgot the exact weight, but I'm building one now and I'll weigh it when it's done.
 
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Oh, that 18633.... I still drool at the tone. It is just too much cab for my needs. This is repeating what I wrote back this summer after the Seattle GTG, but I was surprised how Hifi it could sound when it is is in the "aggressive" cab family. It was only missing a bit of the extreme upper treble air of Charlie's TC112. It would hang everywhere else, though, but with much more flexibility and tonal options. It really could be the last cab anyone would ever have to buy, if they can deal with the size (not that it's really any bigger than a 4x10, but way lighter).
 
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winegamd said:
Oh, that 18633.... I still drool at the tone. It is just too much cab for my needs. This is repeating what I wrote back this summer after the Seattle GTG, but I was surprised how Hifi it could sound when it is is in the "aggressive" cab family. It was only missing a bit of the extreme upper treble air of Charlie's TC112. It would hang everywhere else, though, but with much more flexibility and tonal options. It really could be the last cab anyone would ever have to buy, if they can deal with the size (not that it's really any bigger than a 4x10, but way lighter).
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Based on your observations I modified the crossover a bit to squeeze a little more top end out of the two 3" cones... still falls short of a good horn, but maybe by a little bit less now.
 
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I actually read a review of a Fountek 2" full range on parts express that made me appreciate your use of the threes even more. Have you talked with any manufacturers about custom 3" drivers since they are so popular in your cabs? I am just curious what could be done if they were no built as so much of a full range and had a higher FS with more focus on even top end extension.
 
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Since it came up, I had to find a picture of the beast.

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McFarlin said:
Since it came up, I had to find a picture of the beast.

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Yeeaahh...If I had my bass in hand and walked into a room and saw that thing, I might have to take some extreme measures to try it out. That looks like the bass speaker equivalent of an open-class motocross bike. A total hooligan, maybe way more than you need, but you find yourself coming up with reasons why it would be a good idea to jump on it anyway, regardless of need or skill level.

The steel perf grille set into the recess around the "633" part is really cool-looking. Do the 3s and the 6 communicate freely into the slotted mid chamber, or are any of them closed-back drivers?
 
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Well, here's the old version next to a 1203 and then grouped with the 1505 and 1203 stack. The 1505 is 18" wide, I think.
Maybe it's perspective/geometric distortion, but it looks like there is more space on either side of the 18" in the picture of the new version. Could it be wider than the 1855?

@TrentB , I'm guessing you want one to run alongside your 212. :D

Edit: These are pics saved to my computer (not mine). I think they were taken by Duke and Tom Bowlus.
 

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McFarlin said:
Well, here's the old version next to a 1203 and then grouped with the 1505 and 1203 stack. The 1505 is 18" wide, I think.
Maybe it's perspective distortion, but it looks like there is more space on either side of the 18" in the picture of the new version. Could it be wider than the 1855?

@TrentB , I'm guessing you want one to run alongside your 212. :D
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Ooooo.... How does the Brandywine play with the Hathors?
 
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McFarlin said:
Well, here's the old version next to a 1203 and then grouped with the 1505 and 1203 stack. The 1505 is 18" wide, I think.
Maybe it's perspective/geometric distortion, but it looks like there is more space on either side of the 18" in the picture of the new version. Could it be wider than the 1855?

@TrentB , I'm guessing you want one to run alongside your 212. :D

Edit: These are pics saved to my computer. I think they were taken by Tom Bowlus.
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Yep! The one with the ValveTrain head is my photo.
 

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