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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

So I spent a chunk of the afternoon going back and forth between these cabs. Once steubig gets back in country we'll do a cabpalooza but there aren't any huge surprises. What I can say is that the pair of the H1203 is a pretty formidable setup. It is like the single H1203 but *more* and everything, from the low end to the mid punch, is better supported.

The TC112/H1203 stack is kind of a different beast. You can hear the mid bite of the H1203, but the low end is bigger and extends further in both directions. I could see that as a fit if you wanted a nice supportive low with a bit of snarl. The H1203 is more of a "I don't care if this is a 10 piece band, I'm gonna be heard" thing, though not to the extent as the Baer.
 
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So I spent a chunk of the afternoon going back and forth between these cabs. Once steubig gets back in country we'll do a cabpalooza but there aren't any huge surprises. What I can say is that the pair of the H1203 is a pretty formidable setup. It is like the single H1203 but *more* and everything, from the low end to the mid punch, is better supported.

The TC112/H1203 stack is kind of a different beast. You can hear the mid bite of the H1203, but the low end is bigger and extends further in both directions. I could see that as a fit if you wanted a nice supportive low with a bit of snarl. The H1203 is more of a "I don't care if this is a 10 piece band, I'm gonna be heard" thing, though not to the extent as the Baer.

+1 While I am super impressed with the tone and volume of just one 1203, once you stack two of them, I totally forget that these are super lightweight, super small cabs. It just sounds awesome, from the low B on up.

That being said, I do not have an 8-ohm TC112, so I have not experienced that particular combo. Hmmm... I could make a stack with a 2-ohm capable head driving my (4-ohm) TC112AF and two 1203's... :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :smug:
 
+1 While I am super impressed with the tone and volume of just one 1203, once you stack two of them, I totally forget that these are super lightweight, super small cabs. It just sounds awesome, from the low B on up.

That being said, I do not have an 8-ohm TC112, so I have not experienced that particular combo. Hmmm... I could make a stack with a 2-ohm capable head driving my (4-ohm) TC112AF and two 1203's... :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :smug:

If you can, give it a whirl and see what you think. If you really want to get crazy (#tombhasalotofcabs), a pair of H1203s and a pair of TC112-8s would be the ultimate mix-and-match setup where any two would cover most any gig. And it would top out at a 60 lb package.
 
As much as I'd like to be gassing for another cab (as in 1203) I really can't see a need for anything beyond my composite v1 TC115. The only thing missing is a little more low-mid grunt, despite playing through a Fender P5. I suspect it is the EQ points of the LMII more than the polite nature of the 115. I do play through an original Fodera 2000 stomp but still.... I wonder if a Para EQ or set of TI's would help? Any input or other suggestions appreciated. BTW, the P5 wears Sadowsky light guage steels (the more expensive variety) .
 
As much as I'd like to be gassing for another cab (as in 1203) I really can't see a need for anything beyond my composite v1 TC115. The only thing missing is a little more low-mid grunt, despite playing through a Fender P5. I suspect it is the EQ points of the LMII more than the polite nature of the 115. I do play through an original Fodera 2000 stomp but still.... I wonder if a Para EQ or set of TI's would help? Any input or other suggestions appreciated. BTW, the P5 wears Sadowsky light guage steels (the more expensive variety) .

I've considered picking up a ParaEQ (if you're talking about the Empress pedal) for use in front of an LMII, among other heads. I have an LMII (in the form of the little Markbass combo, though I've used the head to drive other cabs) and I don't like the EQ point of the Low Mid control. I have an F500 as well -- two bands of semi-parametric mids on there, which is cool, but it's less warm and "textured" (harmonically rich?) than the LMII -- a little tighter in the bass, a little faster, but a little too smooth, for me, through a smooth cabinet (though it does "smooth" very well, if you dig that). I would try the EQ pedal or, if you can get your hands on one, the Aguilar TH500. Maybe see if you can borrow one. That certainly has low-mid grunt on tap, though only one semi-parametric mid band.
 
I've yet to hear a Mark Bass rig that didn't have a mostly modern/mid-range forward sound to it. They're not really my thing. I would give an Aguilar Tone Hammer DI pedal a shot. They were showing up in the classifieds quite a bit for a while.
 
Todd, between the TC112 or H1203, which would you say plays better with your Rob Allen?

Hmm, I'd probably go with the H1203 as the RA has plenty of low end and I find that more mid presence helps with that bass. That said, the horn on the TC112 renders the treble content from the RA really well. Hard to go wrong either way.
 
We interrupt this nice thread so I can blow my own horn....

I had a report that the thread crosslinks, linking to previous versions of the thread, were dysfunctional. I summoned the Power of the Hammer, and with some clumsy editing, relinked them all with the new forum syntax. They should all work, but if I blew it someplace, please PM me and I will fix it. AD: Supporting memberships are on sale. And you can get two for the price of two. Give a membership to a friend. Give one to Ed Fuqua, for example. Thanks!
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Well, my TC112AFv2 (8 ohm) arrived!

I've been trying it out with my Streamliner 900, as well as the GK MB800 and GK MB Fusion 800 I have 'borrowed' from Thomann. Test basses - Celinder J Update (ash/maple) with Greengrove preamp (the birghtest bass I own, and has 'the' Marcus tone), Celinder Classic J (alder/Braz RW; with John East J-Retro), custom Precision bass (alder/braz RW; with John East P-retro). All 4 strings. I used a looper at various points to record lines, then walked around the room to listen to it. Big caveat: Currently, this is all moderate volume stuff at home.

Comparator cab has been the Bergantino CN112.

I have a lot of thoughts from home testing, and will need to take it to rehearsal next week to play with a drummer and a loud guitarist who uses 2x12 cabs + effects. That gets pretty loud. The CN112 can struggle a little in that scenario and I had been contemplating adding another CN112 previously.

I have had some surprises along the way.

The GK MB800, when set flat according to the settings in BGM (contour off, etc), had less treble content than the GK MB Fusion 800. Through both cabs. (The switch for the TC was in the position allowing full range sound, and tweeter for the CN was at the neutral midway point.) To get the same amount of treble content the MB Fusion 800 had at about 11 o'clock, I had to crank the MB800 treble to about 4 o'clock. That was a surprise, and not in keeping with what I have read in the GK threads. Wasn't sure if I got a duff MB800?? - it sounds ok otherwise to me...

The tubes in the Fusion do add a lot of 'harmonic content'. Perhaps that adds to the perception of increased treble.

I don't like where the MB800 Fusion puts the bass control (40 Hz) - and the 'deep' boost at 30 Hz is asking for trouble, I think, in a live environment. I preferred the MB800 bass control at 60 Hz - it seemed a more effective boost, if a boost was needed. Perhaps the 40Hz centre on the Fusion would be better for cutting e.g. problematic bass out of a room.

The Fusion and the Streamliner sound to me in the same tone universe, somewhat contrary to other opinions I have read. I could definitely tweak them to sound like each other; neither did the clean GK MB800 thing - the tubes always seemed to add a little 'something'.

(Do I need a hearing test?)

I thought the match of the Streamliner or the Fusion with the TC112AFv2 was merely ok. If I didn't have any other heads, I could make them both work. I know others are fans of the Fusion with the TC112, but I suppose we all have different hands.

The mid grind switch on the TC does not add a huge amount of grind to my ears. I think lovers of 'voiced' cabs should try the Hathors.

The TC is beautifully even, and has more native bass than the CN112. The CN112 I think has more focus in the low mids, and less content in the upper mids. A voicing I like. Both take EQ well, and the CN112 can be EQ'd to have a solid low end. The port plugs for the TC make for interesting re-tuning of the cab, and I can see that being useful.

The CN112 I perceive as much louder with the various amps if I keep the gain/volume knobs the same when I swap between the cabs. Not surprising, and easily remedied by turning up the gain.

The CN112 sounds good with each head I tried - due to its own strong voicing, I assume. The TC112 sounded best to me with the GK MB800. I'm with Steve Rolfeca that the GK MB 800 is a great match with the TC. The TC112 + GK MB800 combo could be tweaked close to the sound of the CN112 + Streamliner combo.

I'm going to send the Fusion back, and probably keep the MB800. The Streamliner I already own, and will keep, as it has a role with some cabs (and a phenomenal sounding preamp/DI), though I think I will not pair it with the TC112AFv2.

I hope that lot is of use to others too.
 
Great report. Thx.

I've been using the TC115-8 with an MB800 for about nine months now and I think it's a wonderful combination. I've had no problems keeping up with either of my bands with it.

I just took delivery of a Demeter VTBP-M-800D which to my ears (at lower volumes) sound similar to the MB800. When pushed, the Demeter comes alive and the eq on it is totally different than the MB800.

I'll be doing my first gig with the Demeter/TC115 this Saturday on the beaches of Rhode Island. Hopefully it'll work out.
 
Nostatic and I met up yesterday for a bit of a cab comparison between his collection of Hathor and TC cabs vs my Barefaced Super Compact.

The bottom line was the Hathor 1203 was probably our favorite in an overall sense. We each favor P style tones with an "open" and articulate upper mid, but no high zingy treble. The TC112 was a bit polite (as expected). The Barefaced felt a bit mid present, and the one-way design wouldn't let it do what the crossover allows for with Duke's cabs. The Barefaced was the most "rock n roll" sounding and could definitely pump out the lows, but the mids were congested and boxy, particularly with Monique. The GK Fusion head with a 4-band EQ helped quite a bit, but it doesn't cop the crossed over 2-way design sound. I think it needs to be heard in a band context for a better evaluation. My gut also says it probably takes fuzz tones the best of the bunch, though we didn't pop a pedal in the line. I think the BF Big Baby would be a better performance comparison (2-way crossed over design).

Nostatic liked the weight and form factor of the Barefaced. I liked the fit and finish on his Hathors.

It was a fun afternoon.
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