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#81
There is definitely an element of 'training' your ear to like different stuff :) Usually for me when I get a new piece of gear I love it for a couple weeks, then I start not liking it, and then I get comfortable with it. Very rare that I don't have some "ear retraining" to do - especially noticeable when changing eq types dramatically.
 
#84
lbwdog said:
I had a DR Bass 1580 which used an 8" Em cbm. I compared it to my Carvin LS1503 with a 6" Em in a chamber. I found the mid-range sounded better on the Carvin.
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I've never been satisfied with the sound of my 1580 when used by itself, although I can't say whether the cabinet, the driver, the crossover, or something else is at fault.

One of the reasons Greenboy's and Duke's designs appeal to me is their seamless crossovers and wide midrange dispersion; I don't anticipate this cab scoring high on either scale.

24" wide is a deal breaker for me, unless there's sound reasoning behind it - which I doubt. I'd prefer a cabinet that's narrow and tall, instead of short and wide.

How do the dimensions of this cab compare to the fEarful 15/6?
 
#85
rpsands said:
There is definitely an element of 'training' your ear to like different stuff :) Usually for me when I get a new piece of gear I love it for a couple weeks, then I start not liking it, and then I get comfortable with it. Very rare that I don't have some "ear retraining" to do - especially noticeable when changing eq types dramatically.
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Interesting post. I have a friends PBDDI at my place to try out for a while - and his Geddy Lee jazz which I am liking - and after a brief time of trying some basic presets (fat tube, SVT, Fliptop) I have decided it sounded to different. I'd like to change my tone a bit and for many the BDDI is a great tool, but I dismissed it rather quickly. Maybe I should give it a chance to "sink in" better.
 
#86
jazzdogg, it's a little bigger and more square, it looks like. have to say, though, that the comb filtering at the crossover point of the tweeter and mic cone wouldn't bother me in the least...if i had it, that tweeter would be nothing but a plug for the hole in front. the mid cone goes up to 5k...that's plenty. the extra size and possible extra weight may bother me...no sense in making it bigger than it has to be...but i have no desire to ever use a tweeter.
 
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SteveC said:
Interesting post. I have a friends PBDDI at my place to try out for a while - and his Geddy Lee jazz which I am liking - and after a brief time of trying some basic presets (fat tube, SVT, Fliptop) I have decided it sounded to different. I'd like to change my tone a bit and for many the BDDI is a great tool, but I dismissed it rather quickly. Maybe I should give it a chance to "sink in" better.
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the presets are ok for a starting point, but with gear you have to find the sounds you like in it and not rely on supplied presets. can't say i'm a big fan of the bddi though. i'm a vt guy.
 
#88
SteveD said:
It will be interesting to hear the reports on weight and how this cab sounds.

A diversion, If I may, slightly relates to topic. Recently I went to hear a guitard buddy at his gig. I walk in and what do I see? Roll and tuck, baby! The bass player has an old Kustom with the 2-15 cab on stage. Gorgeous silver/gray sparkly roll and tuck goodness on head and cab. There's only one problem. He's using a Sansamp and coloring the sound. At break I ask a favor. "Would you just go straight into the amp for one song so I can hear that Kustom by itself?"

He says sure and does so on the first song. Wow, what righteous vintage tone! I notice he's smiling and he plays the rest of the set without the Sansamp. At break he comes over with a big grin and says, "It sounded so good I didn't want to change back." I've seen the same type of thing happen with old guitar amps too. Now, disclosure here, I'm quite old myself.

I left with this question in my head: Do those old amps sound good to us because that type of tone is ingrained in our memory from the hit records of long ago, or is something else going on?:eyebrow:

Thanks for your patience reading, if you got this far. I think about these things more in my dotage.:hmm:
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I used the same setup for years, but I replaced the 15's with JBL D140's and it was Motown, Stax, and Atlantic all in one. It is now residing in the rehearsal space of our guitar player where I get to use it once a week. I love that sound, but, sadly, it loses alot when you turn it up for gig volume.
 
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With an 800 RB you could bypass the internal crossover and use the 800 rb's built in crossover too (would need to figure out how to use just the horn's xover, or just remove it). That'd be a pretty badass setup with the 4 ohm woofer, I bet.
 
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JimmyM said:
the presets are ok for a starting point, but with gear you have to find the sounds you like in it and not rely on supplied presets. can't say i'm a big fan of the bddi though. i'm a vt guy.
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For sure. I may try playing around with this some more. Might be a way to get some more milage out of my current gear.
 
#92
I think the 800rb has two full range amps so you would just connect the Avatar to the 300w "low" amp and bypass the 100w "high" amp. The 700 and 1001rb's have the crossovers for woofer + tweeter.
 
#93
BurningSkies said:
As someone who owned a Kustom 3x15 and matching head, I can honestly say I never want to replicate that tone. Ever.
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Hah! That was my memory too, that's why it was such a surprise. Kustoms always seemed to be muffled and undefined sounding in the old days. I think he did say he had put some good speakers in it.

This was the second night the guy had used the amp. The guitar player/ bandleader told the guy he had to play only through that amp from now on. Maybe it's a freak, or been juiced somehow.
 
#94
kustom had its fans back in the day. i believe some of them came with jbl's as an upgrade, too, so that coud give the rig some extra juice. in high school, my chorus director had a kustom rig with a 215. i doubt it had jbl's because i remember it the way you remember it. i thought it was good till he got an acoustic 370/301. then i thought that was good till i got a v4b/810 ;)
 
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jeff7bass said:
I think the 800rb has two full range amps so you would just connect the Avatar to the 300w "low" amp and bypass the 100w "high" amp. The 700 and 1001rb's have the crossovers for woofer + tweeter.
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It also has a variable internal crossover for the 100w amp, which is epic for going with a woofer/midrange cabinet :)
 
#96
rpsands said:
I love LDS, but one huge advantage of Avatar is the lack of a 12-20 week waiting period.
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The main reason for the longer wait times @ LDS is the down fall of Dr Bass imo.

I received my LDS cab in about 6 weeks. I could have received it sooner but I wanted more info on crossovers. If I ordered one now it would easily be a 3 month wait, but worth it imo.

If his construction and attention to detail sucked his wait times would be much shorter.;)
 
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