I had suggested it several times over the last few years because, the valkyrie just wasnt enough watts for my needs and I figured that for most players, the weight/watts/$ ratio wasnt going to sell.
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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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OK well it's going to be a little bit of a financial hit to pay for the ML112, but life is too short to play through crappy equipment!
I hope to take delivery before I go on vacation, which is a weekend-long jam party up in the foothills near Sonora. That will give me a chance to really open it up and see what it can do.
I hope to take delivery before I go on vacation, which is a weekend-long jam party up in the foothills near Sonora. That will give me a chance to really open it up and see what it can do.
Roger,
Have you ever heard a WTX500 through an ML112? That's going to be my rig. At least until I can afford another ML112.
Have you ever heard a WTX500 through an ML112? That's going to be my rig. At least until I can afford another ML112.
Roger,
Have you ever heard a WTX500 through an ML112? That's going to be my rig. At least until I can afford another ML112.
I have one. Sounds great, although under powered in my opinion. Just depends on how much volume you need. The Eden just runs out of headroom too quickly.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
I have one as well. I think a lot of people don't understand how to set the master and gain on Eden amps. And the enhance knob just sucks headroom by adding too much bass. I never use it. Also, I think the WTX500 is better when it's driving a 4 ohm load.
I'm not going to be playing crazy loud gigs with this rig in the near future so I should be fine.
I'm not going to be playing crazy loud gigs with this rig in the near future so I should be fine.
YMMV...I dig the amp, and I know how to set it, but it runs out of steam much faster than the TH500. 4 ohm load, is much better, but I couldn't use it with a single Baer(8 ohm) for anything but a coffee house gig.
It looks like I'll get the cabinet in time for my vacation / jam party. We're not stupid loud but there are a few guitars, vocals, and drums. It will be good to test the rig out in this situation.
Roger,
Have you ever heard a WTX500 through an ML112? That's going to be my rig. At least until I can afford another ML112.
Haven't heard that particular amp, but my guess is that the 500 class D watts of the WTX wouldn't compare to the 500 class A/B watts of the WT550. The WT550 is one of my all time favorite amps. For what it's worth, for almost all of my gigging career, I never used more than a 500watt amp, the Ashdown ABM500 and Eden WT550 being the most powerful amps I ever used. Funny that in all those years of playing out, I never felt like I needed more power. Now in these days of class D power sections, we've seen the power ratings go from 500w to 600w to 900w and now I'm seeing people on post talking about 1200w power sections. Something to think about.
I still dont feel that class d is totally ready, there may be a few exceptions. Jgr's amp sounds well designed and I love my carvin dcm3800. I found the eden and ashdown were enough for most gigs, not enough for just a few but, never had the sound and feel that only an amp with ample headroom can give. Sometimes you dont know when you are missing something. For me it was headroom. Thats why ive gone back to separate preamps and amps. Not as convenient, but im getting what I want.
For me personally, I've never had a "wattage issue". When I wanted more volume, I simply added more speakers. I never did a gig in my life I couldn't handle with 500watts and two 410 cabs. As far as class D goes, I still think you give up something for the portability of class D, but portability itself is admittedly a very important consideration. I don't think the Valkyrie's low sales were due to wattage per dollar issues. The vast majority of our customers are guys over 40 who have the income to buy boutique gear and this particular crowd has long abandoned carrying heavy racks around to gigs in favor of smaller and lighter amps. The Valkyrie would have made a lot more sense as a second amp product. It was really a matter of me not judging our customer base well and designing an amp that our customers weren't asking for.
I think you are right on with that demographic. I myself think a single cab always sounds better for some reason I cant explain and moving one is easier than two. Also, some of the nice cabs out there can really handle alot of power. The barefaced supertwin, berg nv610 and one of my experimentals can deal with much more than an ashdown ABM type amp. I personally would love to own a valkyrie, but Id probably miss the headroom sometimes.
Picked up a GK MBF800 couple of weeks ago. I've been looking for something that will deliver 400+ Watts at 8 ohms. This delivers the goods! I use a single ML112 for 80% of my gigs and this pairing will fit the bill. I used a pair of ML112s for the GK's maiden voyage. Hella good and quite possibly illegal in some states...
Dismissing the Valk due to some kind of price / watts / pounds calculation is a huge mistake and it makes me so sad that so many people did so.
I went from a 12000w Carvin on top of an ML112 stack to the Valkyrie and felt like I lost nothing in terms of headroom - and I play in a tech metal band that's pretty darn loud.
edit: The VTI is no joke, either, and it sounds like the functionality will only be better when it hits. Can't wait.
I went from a 12000w Carvin on top of an ML112 stack to the Valkyrie and felt like I lost nothing in terms of headroom - and I play in a tech metal band that's pretty darn loud.
edit: The VTI is no joke, either, and it sounds like the functionality will only be better when it hits. Can't wait.
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I borrowed my friends abm500 last week (the same amp I gigged for years) to compare it to my preamp and carvin dcm3800, just to keep myself honest and see if I have lost perspective. I played through a bf supertwin, berg nv610 and prototype sealed 6x10. The abm, while a really good amp, sounded like mush at real gig volume compared to a big amp. There really was no comparison. I would bet anything that the valkyrie kills. No doubt in my mind. Im just saying that it would probably sound better and be a better value. with that extra headroom the low end just hits like a baseball bat to the chest, even at low volumes. Thats the end of my shtick.
Sorry to say we are still working on it. I really felt the input needed a pad, which proved to be a little tricky with a dual impedance input. I also felt a mute function would be a useful feature for players using this as their only input to FOH. We then noticed a little issue with the output being a bit inconsistent between the XLR out and the 1/4" post out, if both outputs were being used at the same time. As I can see some players wanting to use the VTI as a preamp while sending signal to FOH via the XLR, we needed to get this right. Solving this meant going with a new output transformer design with two separate output windings. So, the box is working and sounding better than ever, but it did mean a significant delay. Right now, we are working on the new board layout to handle all the mods we made. It's getting there.
scotch
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I've never been more excited about a product that I haven't tried before! The mute function is smart - being able to mute on sessions is very handy.
There are certainly plenty of DI boxes don't have a mute, but it did seem like a useful feature and I can't really see anyone being pissed about the fact that we added one. My guess is that some of the purest of there will want to hook the VTI to a power amp, or powered speakers and in that instance, a mute is very handy indeed.
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Sounds like some good stuff going on. I'd much rather have an extremely polished DI than one that got rushed..although I am getting anxious lol!
Looking forward to hearing demos and ordering one. You have great products, and I'm looking forward to this one in particular as I've never had a NEED for an amp and cab though I've really liked what I've heard of yours. The design of the valkyrie was one that was close to what I'm used to on my early 00's Fender Bassman 250, though obviously with much more power, a less scooped tone to start with, and some great tube grit that you can run on it. That's making me really want to grab a VTI, been running a Sadowsky which gives my bass a good round tone, but doesn't impart any gritty character, and I'd really like something that does better at rolling off the ultra lows and highs while imparting that rounded tube character. This sounds like my cup of tea!
