Chef
In Memoriam
While I more or less agree on "more note presence," it's not like I'm coming from "darker cabs," with my current horses being TC, GK and Ff.
Huh. Alphabet soup, that.
Huh. Alphabet soup, that.
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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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I just wanted to send a BIG THANK YOU to Roger...these cabs are killing me!!!
Last Friday, I lent out my rig (SM 9.2 and a pair of ML-112's) to a good friend to demo for the night...
His band plays a much broader range of music (Sinatra to Dance to Funk to Classic Rock etc. etc. etc.) and he's an INCREDIBLE player so I was excited to hear them at an outdoor gig (no PA support) as well as hear how the cabs would handle all genres of music and I was curious to hear his opinion...
Well, after about four tunes he finally dialed in "his sound" and coasted the rest of the night...he was amazed as was I that the sound was "incredibly articulate with nice tight lows and not overly loud"
We literally drooled over that rig ALL NIGHT!!! And it sounded great everywhere I went (out in the crowd)
At the end of the night we both agreed that neither of us had ever heard anything like it...
Last Friday, I lent out my rig (SM 9.2 and a pair of ML-112's) to a good friend to demo for the night...
His band plays a much broader range of music (Sinatra to Dance to Funk to Classic Rock etc. etc. etc.) and he's an INCREDIBLE player so I was excited to hear them at an outdoor gig (no PA support) as well as hear how the cabs would handle all genres of music and I was curious to hear his opinion...
Well, after about four tunes he finally dialed in "his sound" and coasted the rest of the night...he was amazed as was I that the sound was "incredibly articulate with nice tight lows and not overly loud"
We literally drooled over that rig ALL NIGHT!!! And it sounded great everywhere I went (out in the crowd)
At the end of the night we both agreed that neither of us had ever heard anything like it...
Thanks for such a positive post! It's always been one of our main design goals to come up with gear that sounds different and unique, but still let's your sound come through. I know it sounds corny, but getting feedback like that from other players, really does make it all worthwhile for me.
It's an absolute pleasure using your cabs and turning others on to them...
I've heard mention of a 115-ML that's a possibility...if so, any chance that they'd be available within the next year?
I've heard mention of a 115-ML that's a possibility...if so, any chance that they'd be available within the next year?
Chef
In Memoriam
OK, so, briefly:
2xML112 vs 12/6/1=12sub vs 2xGK Neo 112II
They're not as different as you'd think...the stacks (and individual cabs) are nearly identically sized. The GK's feel like "the light-weight" winner, but, I didn't weigh them. All 3 of these stacks do what they do beautifully, and I've gigged all of them with lud bands in big rooms with no PA, with no problems, at all. They do "present" a little different from each other.
The GK's are lean by nature, but will take bass eq well. Their horns are bright-overly so at any level above 9 oclock-and can be kinda harsh.
But they have attenuators, so set the balance where you like it
They're mix shredders by nature. No mud, no blur, cutting mids and highs, and present a pretty nice balance of bass thru highs if you have the attenuators set right.
The GK's have never felt stressed under the MBFusion, or 1001RB, but hook up the M9 to them, and they feel like they wouldn't like a long term beating from that head.
12/6/1+12sub
Big native lows, that can be a bit much in some clubs. You can eq that out, but, they retain that in their nature. They hammer with the kick drum, rather than above it. The 18Sound mids can be a bit harsh. The horn is high ranging and airy/smooth, versus the GK's somewhat harsh presentation.
If you like paper cone drivers being pushed, these are free of that...I miss that with these cabs, but that's a personal thing.
You can dog whip these to death, and they just don't even flinch.
ML112's
These pretty much slot nicely between the two.
The lows remain tight and focused..maybe there's a tad more native heft than the GK's, but maybe not.
The mids are very present, but in an easier, smoother, more musical way.
The ''mid drivers'' present a lot more content than you'd think, but in a more vintage feel than the other two. Treble content goes high enough, and bright enough to satisfy slappers, and those who want an edgy tone.
Mids are very present, and these cabs are as easily heard in a dense mix as the GK's, despite they're more laid back delivery.
The mid drivers don't give under stress, and do wonderful things with grit/OD.
They take bass eq well, and deliver nice meaty bass. They're not in the "line up with the kick drum" vein the 12/6/1 stuff is, but, no worries, you can dial in more than plenty of fat.
I haven't felt them complain, but they're not mine, so I don't feel "licensed to dog whip them as if they were," but, they don't feel "flinchy" like the GK's did under the M9. I haven't tried the M9 with these, and I will, but I don't think they're gonna care much; they didn't mind the 1001RBII in the least.
For me, and **my personal sonic goals!!!!** this is a two way tie between GK and Baer.
The 12/6/1 rig just doesn't feel as mid rich as the other two, and it's mid delivery isn't my personal fave. The lows can be a bit much, but, if you want a sledgehammer you can beat on unrelentingly, they're really good.
I've been gigging the GK stack for 18 months or so, and love it a lot. The highs can present harsly, but you can set attenuators and eq and then there's no worries. They're a great match to the GK heads I pri9marily use. They don't like the M9
The Baers are warmer, richer, and still plenty bright, are built to a higher level of quality than the GK's both in terms of "pretty," and just fit and finish and feel. They have eye candy appeal. They certainly feel like sturdy long term partners, and as long as "you can live without that last bit of top end, and live without the feel of a horn," they don't give up anything to either stack. The Baers seem to take eq, and various basses really well. The GK stuff "still sounds GK," and the 12/6/1 stuff always sounds like they sound...the Baers, well, they can be various things, under various amps and various basses. Neato, like that.
hth those who ask for comparision;
alan
2xML112 vs 12/6/1=12sub vs 2xGK Neo 112II
They're not as different as you'd think...the stacks (and individual cabs) are nearly identically sized. The GK's feel like "the light-weight" winner, but, I didn't weigh them. All 3 of these stacks do what they do beautifully, and I've gigged all of them with lud bands in big rooms with no PA, with no problems, at all. They do "present" a little different from each other.
The GK's are lean by nature, but will take bass eq well. Their horns are bright-overly so at any level above 9 oclock-and can be kinda harsh.
But they have attenuators, so set the balance where you like it
They're mix shredders by nature. No mud, no blur, cutting mids and highs, and present a pretty nice balance of bass thru highs if you have the attenuators set right.
The GK's have never felt stressed under the MBFusion, or 1001RB, but hook up the M9 to them, and they feel like they wouldn't like a long term beating from that head.
12/6/1+12sub
Big native lows, that can be a bit much in some clubs. You can eq that out, but, they retain that in their nature. They hammer with the kick drum, rather than above it. The 18Sound mids can be a bit harsh. The horn is high ranging and airy/smooth, versus the GK's somewhat harsh presentation.
If you like paper cone drivers being pushed, these are free of that...I miss that with these cabs, but that's a personal thing.
You can dog whip these to death, and they just don't even flinch.
ML112's
These pretty much slot nicely between the two.
The lows remain tight and focused..maybe there's a tad more native heft than the GK's, but maybe not.
The mids are very present, but in an easier, smoother, more musical way.
The ''mid drivers'' present a lot more content than you'd think, but in a more vintage feel than the other two. Treble content goes high enough, and bright enough to satisfy slappers, and those who want an edgy tone.
Mids are very present, and these cabs are as easily heard in a dense mix as the GK's, despite they're more laid back delivery.
The mid drivers don't give under stress, and do wonderful things with grit/OD.
They take bass eq well, and deliver nice meaty bass. They're not in the "line up with the kick drum" vein the 12/6/1 stuff is, but, no worries, you can dial in more than plenty of fat.
I haven't felt them complain, but they're not mine, so I don't feel "licensed to dog whip them as if they were," but, they don't feel "flinchy" like the GK's did under the M9. I haven't tried the M9 with these, and I will, but I don't think they're gonna care much; they didn't mind the 1001RBII in the least.
For me, and **my personal sonic goals!!!!** this is a two way tie between GK and Baer.
The 12/6/1 rig just doesn't feel as mid rich as the other two, and it's mid delivery isn't my personal fave. The lows can be a bit much, but, if you want a sledgehammer you can beat on unrelentingly, they're really good.
I've been gigging the GK stack for 18 months or so, and love it a lot. The highs can present harsly, but you can set attenuators and eq and then there's no worries. They're a great match to the GK heads I pri9marily use. They don't like the M9
The Baers are warmer, richer, and still plenty bright, are built to a higher level of quality than the GK's both in terms of "pretty," and just fit and finish and feel. They have eye candy appeal. They certainly feel like sturdy long term partners, and as long as "you can live without that last bit of top end, and live without the feel of a horn," they don't give up anything to either stack. The Baers seem to take eq, and various basses really well. The GK stuff "still sounds GK," and the 12/6/1 stuff always sounds like they sound...the Baers, well, they can be various things, under various amps and various basses. Neato, like that.
hth those who ask for comparision;
alan
Chef
In Memoriam
tallwise, just like the others.
both the baer and the gk will add a touch of bass response stacked short, but, I like having them closer to my ears.
the 12/6/1+12sub only stacks tall.
both the baer and the gk will add a touch of bass response stacked short, but, I like having them closer to my ears.
the 12/6/1+12sub only stacks tall.
OT
Is Everett Rogers still around? He was one of my professors while I was in grad school @ USC 20 years ago. Last I heard, he had grabbed a tenured position at University of New Mexico...after funding for the USC Annenberg School got "restructured" in 1992...
/OT
MM
RIP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_Rogers
This past weekend I got a chance to use my two week old ML112 on a gig at a fairly loud club. We only use stage volume and it can get a little dense. I used the cabinet the week before, once at a dinner club (it sounded really good on its maiden voyage) and once at church fund raiser in a gym where the sound was so bad the people running the dance were apologizing to us! No way to check it out there so this weekend's gig was my opportunity to really give it a push and see what it can do.
Fo starters - Wow!!! I am still totally amazed at how all of that tight fat tone can come out of this box (it's my first experience with a 112 design). I used my Thunderfunk-550B and I brought 2 Jazz basses - one passive, one active. They both dialed into excellent tones quickly, with the active having a bit more punch and presence. It's a Trace TBass and that electronics package is pretty hot. I'm trying to use as many different basses as I can for an overall view.
What really grabbed my attention was the wonderful "crunch" this cabinet gave and I attribute it to the mid driver. This wasn't about J bass growl - a touch of midboost and some highs put a real sweet crunchy edge on the tone that was past that. There wasn't very much EQ working at all to get the sound I liked. Highs were smooth as well.
I set the cabinet tall and played the first set with it resting flat on the stage. I used the passive J and I noticed some frequencies bloomed a little too hot. I usually use an Auralex pad but I had just got and brought along one of those urethane amp wedges, so I tilted it back a bit for the second set. Problem solved. Sweet, focused, even tones and the active J was just kicking. Very articulate. There was more than enough volume/low end/girth to compete with the drummer and guitar rig. It cut the mix beautifully and there was room to spare.
I am very pleased indeed with this cabinet. One more happy user extending kudos to Roger for coming up with an exceptional product. I have to thank everybody for their evaluations and input. It was very informative and was the reason I went with a Baer, unseen and unheard. The cab has lived up to all the assessments and then some.
Fo starters - Wow!!! I am still totally amazed at how all of that tight fat tone can come out of this box (it's my first experience with a 112 design). I used my Thunderfunk-550B and I brought 2 Jazz basses - one passive, one active. They both dialed into excellent tones quickly, with the active having a bit more punch and presence. It's a Trace TBass and that electronics package is pretty hot. I'm trying to use as many different basses as I can for an overall view.
What really grabbed my attention was the wonderful "crunch" this cabinet gave and I attribute it to the mid driver. This wasn't about J bass growl - a touch of midboost and some highs put a real sweet crunchy edge on the tone that was past that. There wasn't very much EQ working at all to get the sound I liked. Highs were smooth as well.
I set the cabinet tall and played the first set with it resting flat on the stage. I used the passive J and I noticed some frequencies bloomed a little too hot. I usually use an Auralex pad but I had just got and brought along one of those urethane amp wedges, so I tilted it back a bit for the second set. Problem solved. Sweet, focused, even tones and the active J was just kicking. Very articulate. There was more than enough volume/low end/girth to compete with the drummer and guitar rig. It cut the mix beautifully and there was room to spare.
I am very pleased indeed with this cabinet. One more happy user extending kudos to Roger for coming up with an exceptional product. I have to thank everybody for their evaluations and input. It was very informative and was the reason I went with a Baer, unseen and unheard. The cab has lived up to all the assessments and then some.
Hey, what happened to KJung's youtube videos of these? I wanted to see/hear the comparisons he did...
Sorry, I kind of retired from the demo thing (not buying much stuff anymore), and most of my clips were out of date (i.e., demo'd gear that is no longer even on the market). So, I took my channel down a while back.
Time for someone else to step up
I just took delivery of an ML112 yesterday. I am now breaking in the speaker as recommended, but hope to give it a test run this evening.
Some first impressions: this is a beautiful cabinet! Workmanship appears to be top-notch, and it is a very easy carry. This unit weighed in at 35 lbs. on my bathroom scale. It was also a pleasure doing business with Roger, he seems genuinely interested in his customer's satisfaction.
I'll try to post a review after my band practice next Tuesday. Will compare/contrast with my fEarful 12/6.
Some first impressions: this is a beautiful cabinet! Workmanship appears to be top-notch, and it is a very easy carry. This unit weighed in at 35 lbs. on my bathroom scale. It was also a pleasure doing business with Roger, he seems genuinely interested in his customer's satisfaction.
I'll try to post a review after my band practice next Tuesday. Will compare/contrast with my fEarful 12/6.
Ok, so I just read 38 pages of this and after all that the videos are gone? Oh brother.
Well, I guess the reviews certainly spoke alot about what's up with this cab. I was ~that close~ to springing for $600 bux worth of Carvin cabs (BR115 and a BR210) to be used with my oddball biamped "synth filter" rig on Mackie power. Then I got turned on to this cab via a PM from someone. I am SO glad I didn't turn loose of my hard-earned on the BRs. Based on the reviews here alone I've already contacted Roger regarding getting my mits on an ML112.
Thanks to everyone for the very informative reading and insightful mental vapors. I actually learned a good deal of stuff in this 38 page thread. I read the entire thing (my hair hurts).
Flux of Earth.
Well, I guess the reviews certainly spoke alot about what's up with this cab. I was ~that close~ to springing for $600 bux worth of Carvin cabs (BR115 and a BR210) to be used with my oddball biamped "synth filter" rig on Mackie power. Then I got turned on to this cab via a PM from someone. I am SO glad I didn't turn loose of my hard-earned on the BRs. Based on the reviews here alone I've already contacted Roger regarding getting my mits on an ML112.
Thanks to everyone for the very informative reading and insightful mental vapors. I actually learned a good deal of stuff in this 38 page thread. I read the entire thing (my hair hurts).
Flux of Earth.
Something I find interesting ... I see from Roger's website that these cabs are made of poplar ply (Baltic Birch speaker baffles).
When I was researching Carvin cabs last night I'd read a few comments in other threads made by .. uh .. wood specialists and self annointed cab experts .. that "Poplar is complete shyte for cabs .. dead tone, cheap wood used by cost-pinching cab builders" .. and yet Roger's cabs are reported to sound so wonderful. Go figure, right?
I'm just glad Roger went out on a limb to produce something different than the status quo to offer those of us that appreciate 70's tone a well built, great sounding box. I was beginning to wonder if I was going to have to use multiple Roland KC150s to use on stage. I know it must sound naive but those Rolands have incredible 70's bass tone. The tweeter has to be disconnected or the ~Klikkenklack~ is unbearable for aggressive finger playing. But once that's done .. believe it or not ... those Roland KC150s make one hell of a Geddy/Squire tone. A little light on the volume .. you'd need four of them for a gig, and a little weak on the low-low end. But ~that voice~ is most asuredly in them.
With Roger's offerings I'm released from my trap. Rolands most likely out of the picture, and half the size/weight of using a 115 and a 210 set of Carvins. I'm not wealthy so buying cab after cab to search for the sound isn't practical. I'll start with one ML112 soon and someday I may up it to two. That is, if I feel I even need a second one. I may just go with one and wait for the 115 to show up later this year or early next year when it is released.
Still .. really funny thing about the wood. HaahaaHaa!! Experts can be found anywhere.
(I know nothing so don't take me seriously).
When I was researching Carvin cabs last night I'd read a few comments in other threads made by .. uh .. wood specialists and self annointed cab experts .. that "Poplar is complete shyte for cabs .. dead tone, cheap wood used by cost-pinching cab builders" .. and yet Roger's cabs are reported to sound so wonderful. Go figure, right?
I'm just glad Roger went out on a limb to produce something different than the status quo to offer those of us that appreciate 70's tone a well built, great sounding box. I was beginning to wonder if I was going to have to use multiple Roland KC150s to use on stage. I know it must sound naive but those Rolands have incredible 70's bass tone. The tweeter has to be disconnected or the ~Klikkenklack~ is unbearable for aggressive finger playing. But once that's done .. believe it or not ... those Roland KC150s make one hell of a Geddy/Squire tone. A little light on the volume .. you'd need four of them for a gig, and a little weak on the low-low end. But ~that voice~ is most asuredly in them.
With Roger's offerings I'm released from my trap. Rolands most likely out of the picture, and half the size/weight of using a 115 and a 210 set of Carvins. I'm not wealthy so buying cab after cab to search for the sound isn't practical. I'll start with one ML112 soon and someday I may up it to two. That is, if I feel I even need a second one. I may just go with one and wait for the 115 to show up later this year or early next year when it is released.
Still .. really funny thing about the wood. HaahaaHaa!!
Experts can be found anywhere.(I know nothing so don't take me seriously).
