What an awsome rig! Id love to hear your opinion on the 12 vs 15, tone and output wise.
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Thank you. Highly unlikely that I will ever use all 4 together but it will be possible with the MESA WD800 ability to run at 2 ohms.
I have played many shows with the 15’s and they are classic Bag End. I do have the Neo drivers in the 15 cabs.
I have not played out yet with the 12’s in a band setting but have been using them all winter and they sound great. Tighter and better focus and plenty of bottom end. Perfect size and weight and solid Bag End build quality.
Have you compared the sound of the neos to the ceramics? I really do love those ceramic 15''.
I haven’t had a chance to do a side by side but I used the neo 15’s throughout the 2018 season and was very happy with them.
Jim at Bag End told me they would have less treble and more bottom end compared to the ceramic version. I always used the classic 15’s and they’re the gold standard for me.
They still do make that cabinet. It’s on there web site.
Unfortunately, I think the cabs are still the same heavy build. They are probably 10lbs or so lighter.
Kind of a late reply here - for a couple years I worked for a festival PA company with an all Bag End rig. We did reggae, hippie and world music festivals throughout California, sometimes main stage and other times second stages. At least at the time (I believe the ELF/INFRA patent has since expired) there was no PA I heard anywhere - (I'm talking high-end stuff like Meyer, Funktion One, Adamson, Turbosound; as well as the more typical QSC, JBL, ElectroVoice, Genz-Benz consumer systems) - with anything near the tight, deep, punchy bass of a Bag End system. We're talking flat to 8 hz, and rather than limiting amplitude, there's a "cloaking" function that dynamically raises the Highpass cutoff frequency when a given threshold is exceeded.
The ELF/INFRA concept (using small sealed cabinets operating below the resonant frequency) sounds counter-intuitive and requires more power/drivers to reach a given SPL. But, the phase and transient response of sealed cabinets is much superior to ported cabinets, no comparison. On a number of occasions I'd walk a half mile or a mile away from the stage and would hear the same sound, only at lower volume - but the bass never washed out. That said, an ELF/INFRA bass rig could really drive musicians, soundguys/gals, venue owners, and neighbors crazy.
These sounded great at a recent small club gig. Anyone have a 3-D printer? I want to make a new badge that says:
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I started a different thread on TB seeking advice and recommendations for a small cab for 5 string fretless bass to be powered by a 50W all tube head for low volume, small venue gigs in a duo or trio situation.
There were some glowing recommendations for BagEnd and after looking at their website it seems that the S15X-B fits my criteria, although it is a bit heavier than I would like. However, there has been some doubt expressed about the 103dB sensitivity rating stated by BagEnd for this driver/cab and whether it can in fact perform well for my purposes with a 50W head.
Advice? Comments? Thank you.
There were some glowing recommendations for BagEnd and after looking at their website it seems that the S15X-B fits my criteria, although it is a bit heavier than I would like. However, there has been some doubt expressed about the 103dB sensitivity rating stated by BagEnd for this driver/cab and whether it can in fact perform well for my purposes with a 50W head.
Advice? Comments? Thank you.
Don’t be too picky (about weight, etc.), too caught up in website specs, or online advice.
Do you know what sensitivity specs mean? What 50w tube heads sound like?
Also — What doubts were expressed and by whom?
Bag End is the very last company who would misrepresent specs and measurements.
a pair of 6L6 pushing a pair of 12" drivers... they go well together IMHO/E
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Ah ha! An actual user! The current specs on the BagEnd site for that D12-B show 103dB sensitivity, the same as the S15X-B that I'm interested in. What size gigs do you typically play with it, without PA support?
not gigging any more... but it has handled a coffee houses with a small kit, and regular jams with light handed drummers and small combo guitarists.
