Take it easy James.. we’ve had enough earthquakes in our region recently
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Bag End Club.
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That's why I said try before you buy. If they want to sell it, they will let you run a demo. Maybe they will refuse. You won't know till you ask.
By the way, what does a bass cab sound like? I am confident a 10" ELF sub will not meet my definition, but maybe you will think it sounds great.
I found it impossible to use a S15D full range. My perception is it was all mids with no highs or lows...but lot's of people love the S15D. So again, maybe you will like it.
Probably considered mediocre because of the very limited SPL capabilities. However, when operated as designed, IMHO it should sound very good. It just can't play loud and low.
If I remember correctly Bag End's position is running ELF/INFRA to 8 hz gives better phase response. Not sure how much value there is in this as the human ear is not particularly sensitive to phase variance.
I built a Bag End system in the 90s that used four of the S18 Compacts powered by 1600W total. The compacts were custom order and half the depth of the standard S18s. AFAIK they had a 3-4dB lower sensitivity rating. The point of the system was to cram a full rock band with instruments and PA into one of these. I chose compacts to ensure the system would fit, and it did (barely).
If I remember correctly, I thought the system sounded best with the subs cut off at about 40hz. If I ran the subs lower, the system volume was too limited and the ELF processing was audible with the system pushed to it's limit. I believe the processor uses a variable HPF under the term Concealment. If you push the system to far into Concealment you can hear the low end thinning out.
The system sounded good and I considered the level usable. We did dances in bars and outdoor gigs, but the system was not intended to provide what we normally consider as concert level SPL. I think a single JBL VRX918S would probably play louder than all four of the S18s. The only real criticism I heard of this system was we sounded too much like a CD...which I was okay with, since that was what I intended.
Regarding how may S10s you would need for a rave in your bedroom. We assume the SPL goes up 6dB each time we double the speakers. How low and loud do you want them to play.
If you want a 115dB at 20hz, you need + 24dB (115 - 91 = 24). So you will need to double the speakers 4 times to get in the ball park. Since the 6db increase is not perfect, lets double 5 times just to be sure.
1 = 91dB at 20hz
2 = 91 + 6
4 = 91 + 12
8 = 91 + 18
16 = 91 + 24 = 115dB calculated
32 = 91 + 30 = 121dB calculated...real world measured SPL will be lower. So the exact answer will be somewhere between 16 and 32 S10s for 115dB at 20 hz.
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it will be a moment before I pull the trigger, but Jim came up with the perfect solution to my wants and needs... "custom [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]-B with handles in a custom oiled birch cabinet with plastic corners".
Hopefully I can run it off the DI of my Ashdown CTM-200r
connection sorted, I'm going to use my Black Lion Audio Auteur DT to boost the mic level out of the DI to the line level the cab needs. I'm concerned because it is a desktop piece not a road piece, so I'll grab a little Rolls MP13 as a back up.
Now to budget the funds!
Hi all! I just received a S15XB that arrived with the coax disconnected. Reconnecting the clips is easy enough, but there are positive and negative wires coming off the crossover that I don’t know where to put. Any guidance is appreciated. If you have an S 15 X, I would love to get a picture of the wiring coming off the crossover
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I was loading my truck and passed these lovely purple flowers.
Great looking cab!
I'd love to try a pair of the S15L-N (I'm guessing a S15L-B would be a special order item)!
Have you tried the internal power amp yet - I would think that Ashdown would have a preamp out or something to feed a power amp?
I have used the internal amp with an Alembic F1-X. It’s a great pairing if that’s your preference. The Bag End amp in this cabinet is dead silent and has no fan since it doesn’t get hot. No hissing., really great.
The Ashdown is a very nice head as well.
I bet they both sound great.
I'm really jonesin' for a Trickfish Bullhead .5k head.
I’ve not yet heard them in person but they look great.
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Can someone with some experience with Bag End's powered cabs talk to me about them? I have an Arkham Oracle preamp and use that for my direct to PA cover band. At home with my jazz duo, I plug into a Mesa WD800 and Subway 1x15. I'd like to simplify if possible, just having the Oracle driving a powered cab. The Bergantino IP series is super old and hard to find. The Accugroove stuff is cool but hifi isn't exactly my thing. The classic Bag End 1x15 has always been tempting, and now that I understand they offered powered options, I'm curious.
Can you drive a passive extension cab with the powered cab? I guess the ultimate in flexibility for me would be a pair of 1x12s or maybe 1x15s, with one passive. Is this possible?
Can you drive a passive extension cab with the powered cab? I guess the ultimate in flexibility for me would be a pair of 1x12s or maybe 1x15s, with one passive. Is this possible?
I have some experience with the powered Bag End cabs.
I just sold 2 of the powered S-15 cabs and replaced them with the powered Bag End pictured. I used both powered S15 cabs together but never mixed a powered with a passive. I connected an Alembic F1-X preamp and it was great.
The power amp within their cabinets is dead silent and generates no heat ..there is no fan within these cabs.
When I ordered this version I had them customize it to allow me to use the internal amp or an external amp. They installed a switch inside the cabinet that allows this to happen. I also chose this driver since it has the hi frequency driver built in which is the red dome.
The N line sounds very different than the XLN line.. The N series is the classic Bag End enclosure that is very tight and focused where the XLN does not have the same mid presence but tremendous low end if needed.
The USA build quality and high level of customer service make Bag End a great company.
I also have passive Bag End 15’s and they are my main speakers..
My advice is to call them directly and ask them about the mixing passive and active.. they are very helpful.
I had a s15xd/s15d rig for many years. I now have 2 Berg IP112s and 2 NV115s. I often match an IP112 and NV115 with a Jule Monique. Love the powered cab form factor but also love mid rangy 15s.
If Bag End would make a powered S15x-b I think a pair would be something I’d be very interested in trying.
They will build the powered Birch cabs..
