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Bergantino B/Amp at NAMM

#261
Kirk Bryant said:
Looks like it will only optimally work with two matching cabs, that's disappointing. I know I could use it with my two AE cabs (Or do I ) but not with anything else, bummer. So this makes me wonder if it will work with two different size cabs as in my two AE's, a 112 and 212...anyone know the answer to that?
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I would think you could choose a ae112 (or pair of if it has that option) preset and then just change the ohms to 2.6 and you'd be in the ballpark.

I saw your post over in the Mesa thread writing this amp off but the Mesa won't do 2 eq settings for differnt cabs.

One advantage I see over the Mesa is that at 2.6 ohms the Mesa will drop from 800 to probably 500-600 where the Berg will deliver 700watts @ 4ohms or 800 @ 2.6 or 2 ohms.

I run a HD112 & HD212 a lot of the time so this (albeit slight) power advantage at 2.6 ohms is a big deal too me. Ideally I'd like to get 1000 watts @ 2.6 but 800 would probably make me happy.
 
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Munjibunga said:
No, you can use only one preset. Putting a different preset on each of the outputs would probably require a significant change in the hardware in addition to the software. It's getting a bit late for hardware changes. However, there are presets for two NV115s, two HD210s, two HD112s, two CN112s and two CN210s. If I were going to mix cabs (but I wouldn't), I'd set the preset to "None," and use the 4-band EQ to get my sound, possibly adjusting the frequency centers if necessary. Jim will probably kill me for saying this, but I believe it's hypothetically possible to create a preset for an NV115 plus a CN210. Maybe. Hypothetically. Sorry Jim.
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I think he has presets for the CN112/CN210 and HD112/HD210 combos, as they are kind of like "modular HT322's." But I'm not so sure that he'd be interested in encouraging an NV115/CN210 pairing.
 
#263
I used to run an IP112. It was voiced to go into another Berg 12 (or not, depending on which voicing was chosen). I ran it into a Berg 15 and various other cabs and it was all good. I am sure that they will work best when going into the cabs they are programmed for, but that is not to say other cabs will not sound good with programmes that are not "for" them. A lot of the IP magic was HPF and multiband compressing.

I have been auditioning a lot of preamps recently and found that they all sound great. I then re-auditioned them through something which was not my IP310 and found that some were greater than others. I am very excited to get my hands on a B Amp.
 
#264
tombowlus said:
I think he has presets for the CN112/CN210 and HD112/HD210 combos, as they are kind of like "modular HT322's." But I'm not so sure that he'd be interested in encouraging an NV115/CN210 pairing.
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I just confirmed with Jim that this is the case. He has profiles for single cabs, 2x most of the cabs (I presume no 2x NV cab profiles), and then for the following mixed cab combos:

HD112 and HD210 vertical stack (HD322 profile)
CN112 and CN210 Vertical stack (CN322 profile)
HD112 and HD212 Vertical stack 2.67ohm (HD312 profile)
CN112 and CN212 Vertical stack 2.67 ohm (CN312 profile)
 
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tombowlus said:
I just confirmed with Jim that this is the case. He has profiles for single cabs, 2x most of the cabs (I presume no 2x NV cab profiles), and then for the following mixed cab combos:

HD112 and HD210 vertical stack (HD322 profile)
CN112 and CN210 Vertical stack (CN322 profile)
HD112 and HD212 Vertical stack 2.67ohm (HD312 profile)
CN112 and CN212 Vertical stack 2.67 ohm (CN312 profile)
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My wallet did not need to hear that! HD312 profile FTW!
 
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Just clarify I'm not "writing this off" and I'm looking forward to hearing he has profiles for the AE 112 212 combo. I would also move up to the CN series combination but that is a ways off. I suspect there will be more profiles to come. And I DO think this sounds like a GREAT amp and can't wait to hear it even though I'll have to make the trek to Seattle to demo one.
 
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tombowlus said:
I think he has presets for the CN112/CN210 and HD112/HD210 combos, as they are kind of like "modular HT322's." But I'm not so sure that he'd be interested in encouraging an NV115/CN210 pairing.
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OK. They're not in the prototype at BSD, but they could easily be updated. I have to assume then that they will be in the production models. Yeah, 115/210 is a venial sin if I remember correctly.
 
#269
Kirk Bryant said:
Just clarify I'm not "writing this off" and I'm looking forward to hearing he has profiles for the AE 112 212 combo. I would also move up to the CN series combination but that is a ways off. I suspect there will be more profiles to come. And I DO think this sounds like a GREAT amp and can't wait to hear it even though I'll have to make the trek to Seattle to demo one.
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Well, the proof is in the pudding. We'll get an idea pretty soon.
 
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There is a "No Profile" option, so you can turn off the cabinet matching that way. That said, I would give most 112 cabs a shot with something like the CN-112 (neo) or HD-112 (ceramic) profiles. If it sounds better like that, then it is better. :)

Speaking of the cab profiles. Here are some recently released words on the subject from the man his own self!
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Today there was a pro player at BSD, and we were comparing cabs with and without their profiles. With the appropriate profiles the CN212 and CN410 sound very similar - full-range without any big EQ humps. After switching to no profile on each, the tonal differences became evident. The CN212 actually sounded like it has more bottom than the CN410, while the 410 was a little crisper on top. The profiles really even out the response of the cabs.

Another pro also tried it out today - he's a doubler and brought both basses. He was very impressed with the CN212, of all things, for his upright. He had it within two feet of the cab, and it was feeding back a little on C#. We went into the filters and reduced C# by 8 dB and the howl went away. This amp works.
 
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otto B said:
Has anyone try this amp with other brands that is not a Bergantino cab? I am concern this amp with the pre-setting to match the bergs cabs may not match as good with other brand cabs.
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When you use another brand of cab, it's just like using any other amp. You set the profile to "none" and rock out. There are still four bands of semi-parametric EQ that you can adjust to taste for your particular cab, then just store that EQ in one of the two memories.

It seems like the profiles feature of the amp is intimidating some folks. Just forget about the profiles for a minute. The amp works just like any other amp in its general functioning. Its character is a clean, accurate reproduction of what your bass puts into it - very little coloration when the EQ is set "flat." So without even thinking about speaker profiles, it sounds great (if little coloration is what you're going for). It will sound great in many other manufacturers' cabs, too, just like many other amplifiers do.

You know, you never worried about profiles before, and there's no need to worry about them now. Your TH500 or MB800 or SVT sounds like it sounds. But the bonus with this amp is that, if you happen to use Jim's cabs, you get a little extra tone shaping to even out the frequency response. It's not absolutely necessary (obviously, since we've been doing without it forever), but it makes a noticeable improvement in the sound of the cab without sacrificing anything.
 
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Signal chain question... wondering if I could use my Monique tube PRE>(effects return) B|Amp>NV610T and still use the NV610T cab profile feature in the B|Amp? (I don't have that cab atm, but seriously considering one..)
 

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