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Bergantino NV212T

#81
pfschim said:
anyone move from a 4ohm cab (like a CN212 or NV610) to the 8ohm NV212T ? any impressions on that difference effects the power from any given amp ?
I have both a CN212 and NV610. I primarily use a Demeter VTBP-M-800DJ (800w @ 4 ohms) and a Mesa Walkabout (300w @ 4ohms).
I doubt the Demeter would have a power issue delivering 400w @ 8ohms, but I can kind of see the Walkabout being pretty underpowered at ~165w @ 8ohms.

FWIW, I also have a Fender Studio (200w @ 8ohms) and a Ampeg SVT 6Pro (700w @ 8ohms) so, plenty of amps to choose from.

Just curious about others experience with the 80hm NV212T

thanks
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I kind of think that Fender Studio would be really nice with the NV212.
 
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hennessybass said:
I kind of think that Fender Studio would be really nice with the NV212.
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yeah, probably. It certainly kills thru the NV610 with that all tube amp into a sealed cab low mid punch thing.
Thing is that I don't really like to haul the big(ger) iron and cabs out much these days and I am very happy with the Demeter/CN212 combination.
But .. I think whats going on here most of all is that I like sealed cabs and I happen to have plenty of $$ in my new gear fund ... so it's seeking a way to be spent :laugh:

don't really need a new cab, but everyone on TB knows how that tune goes
 
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Fender ams have such a big low end, I think sealed cabs, or cabs with tight low end (like the CN212 IMO), are a good match. I did the Bassmann 100 with a NV412 for a little while... OMG!!!
My CN212 and '77 Bassman 100 are a great match. But, there's only so much headroom there. I've been gigging a Fender TBP-1 Pre/Power rig with my CN212... great tone, clean headroom for days, but still big and heavy.
 
#85
Hi all. I currently have two amps. Demeter VTBPM800D and GKMB fusion.
My cabs are two HD112 and I love them, but have been craving a sealed cab. I've owned many Berg cabs and have had nv610 and nv215, but years back with different amps than my current. I've wanted to try both the nv 115 and nv212... but they're both 8ohms and I don't want to double up on either. Is there any experience with the Demeter or GK amps with the nv115 or nv212 in regard to the impedance and sound??? With my Demeter and a single hd112 @8ohms I have to crank the volume up quite a bit as opposed to both at 4ohms.
 
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Big String said:
Hi all. I currently have two amps. Demeter VTBPM800D and GKMB fusion.
My cabs are two HD112 and I love them, but have been craving a sealed cab. I've owned many Berg cabs and have had nv610 and nv215, but years back with different amps than my current. I've wanted to try both the nv 115 and nv212... but they're both 8ohms and I don't want to double up on either. Is there any experience with the Demeter or GK amps with the nv115 or nv212 in regard to the impedance and sound??? With my Demeter and a single hd112 @8ohms I have to crank the volume up quite a bit as opposed to both at 4ohms.
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I can't answer this specifically but will say I tried a 350 w (4 ohms) amp into the NV212T and to my ears it was really loud. Didn't try it in a band setting. I couldn't imagine that your amps would not drive it plenty. And remember, you are doubling the speakers as compared to the HD112 hooked up to the amp.
 
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Big String said:
Hi all. I currently have two amps. Demeter VTBPM800D and GKMB fusion.
My cabs are two HD112 and I love them, but have been craving a sealed cab. I've owned many Berg cabs and have had nv610 and nv215, but years back with different amps than my current. I've wanted to try both the nv 115 and nv212... but they're both 8ohms and I don't want to double up on either. Is there any experience with the Demeter or GK amps with the nv115 or nv212 in regard to the impedance and sound??? With my Demeter and a single hd112 @8ohms I have to crank the volume up quite a bit as opposed to both at 4ohms.
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Like you, I also use a Demeter VTBP-M-800DJ as my regular gigging amp (currently I use it with a Berg CN212).
I also have an NV610, but would really like to have a sealed cab with the smaller dimensions of the CN212 like the NV212t.
Don't get me wrong, I love the NV610, but it is kind of a monster to haul around very much .. and I don't.
The NV212t seems ideal other than the fact that it is 4ohms and also weighs nearly twice what the CN212 weighs due to the ceramic drivers vs neo.

I also have a Mesa Walkabout, which works fine at 2.67 or 2 ohms. I could also see using a CN212 + NV212t (2.67ohms) stack in place of the NV610.
 
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pfschim said:
Like you, I also use a Demeter VTBP-M-800DJ as my regular gigging amp (currently I use it with a Berg CN212).
I also have an NV610, but would really like to have a sealed cab with the smaller dimensions of the CN212 like the NV212t.
Don't get me wrong, I love the NV610, but it is kind of a monster to haul around very much .. and I don't.
The NV212t seems ideal other than the fact that it is 4ohms and also weighs nearly twice what the CN212 weighs due to the ceramic drivers vs neo.
I also have a Mesa Walkabout, which works fine at 2.67 or 2 ohms. I could also see using a CN212 + NV212t (2.67ohms) stack in place of the NV610.
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The Nv212t is 8ohms which is a bit of a concern to me as I would only be using this single cab. I always use both my hd112s for gigs and a single one for practice and rehearsals.
Also I don't like neo drivers... any of them.
 
#90
bebass said:
I can't answer this specifically but will say I tried a 350 w (4 ohms) amp into the NV212T and to my ears it was really loud. Didn't try it in a band setting. I couldn't imagine that your amps would not drive it plenty. And remember, you are doubling the speakers as compared to the HD112 hooked up to the amp.
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Thank you. Yes double speakers that is true.
 
#91
Big String said:
Hi all. I currently have two amps. Demeter VTBPM800D and GKMB fusion.
My cabs are two HD112 and I love them, but have been craving a sealed cab. I've owned many Berg cabs and have had nv610 and nv215, but years back with different amps than my current. I've wanted to try both the nv 115 and nv212... but they're both 8ohms and I don't want to double up on either. Is there any experience with the Demeter or GK amps with the nv115 or nv212 in regard to the impedance and sound??? With my Demeter and a single hd112 @8ohms I have to crank the volume up quite a bit as opposed to both at 4ohms.
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I don't own any of these products, but here's what the product specs indicate.
Your Demeter produces 400 watts into an 8 ohm load and 800 watts into a 4 ohm load.
The sensitivity of the cabs are:
NV115 96db
NV212T 99db
HDN112 98db
Since all three are made by the same manufacturer they should be consistently measured/rated.
All three cabinets are 8 ohm so you Demeter will deliver the same amount of power into these loads at any given volume setting. The two NV cabs are rated at 400 watts, while the HDN is rated at 350 watts.
There will be a small but noticeable difference in volume between the NV115 and the NV212T due to sensitivity, and the speaker configuration will likely also make the NV212T seem a little louder if they are both placed on the floor. The NV212T will only be very slightly louder than a single HDN112, but will also have an advantage due to the vertical cone arrangement.

A pair of HDN112 cabinets will have a combined sensitivity of about 101db and additionally you amplifier will produce twice as much power into this load increasing spl by 3db. So you will have an additional 5db compared to a single NV212T and 8db more than the NV115. These differences are significant.

You should try the cabinets to hear for yourself the differences. It appears that getting the same volume capability from the NV212T as your pair of HDNs would require two cabinets.

Sorry I can't speak from experience with these cabs, but this is what I think the specs are indicating.

Note, corrected to HDN112 as pointed out by Munjibunga below.
 
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jsbarber said:
I don't own any of these products, but here's what the product specs indicate.
Your Demeter produces 400 watts into an 8 ohm load and 800 watts into a 4 ohm load.
The sensitivity of the cabs are:
NV115 96db
NV212T 99db
HDN115 98db
Since all three are made by the same manufacturer they should be consistently measured/rated.
The all three cabinets are 8 ohm so you Demeter will deliver the same amount of maximum power into these loads at any given volume setting. The two NV cabs are rated at 400 watts, while the HDN is rated at 350 watts.
There will be a small but noticeable difference in volume between the NV115 and the NV212T due to sensitivity, and the speaker configuration will likely also make the NV212T seem a little louder if they are both placed on the floor. The NV212T will only be very slightly louder than a single HDN115, but will also have an advantage due to the vertical cone arrangement.

A pair of HDN115 cabinets will have a combined sensitivity of about 101db and additionally you amplifier will produce twice as much power into this load increasing spl by 3db. So you will have an additional 5db compared to a single NV212T and 8db more than the NV115. These differences are significant.

You should try the cabinets to hear for yourself the differences. It appears that getting the same volume capability from the NV212T as your pair of HDNs would require two cabinets.

Sorry I can't speak from experience with these cabs, but this is what I think the specs are indicating.
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HDN115?
 
#93
I find that 2x NV115's work really well, especially when pushed by a good tube amp like a Mesa 8-88 for instance :)

No tweeter, and I like it that way. NOT the best rig for metal! ( which I don't play ). YMMV
 
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jsbarber said:
I don't own any of these products, but here's what the product specs indicate.
Your Demeter produces 400 watts into an 8 ohm load and 800 watts into a 4 ohm load.
The sensitivity of the cabs are:
NV115 96db
NV212T 99db
HDN112 98db
Since all three are made by the same manufacturer they should be consistently measured/rated.
All three cabinets are 8 ohm so you Demeter will deliver the same amount of maximum power into these loads at any given volume setting. The two NV cabs are rated at 400 watts, while the HDN is rated at 350 watts.
There will be a small but noticeable difference in volume between the NV115 and the NV212T due to sensitivity, and the speaker configuration will likely also make the NV212T seem a little louder if they are both placed on the floor. The NV212T will only be very slightly louder than a single HDN112, but will also have an advantage due to the vertical cone arrangement.

A pair of HDN112 cabinets will have a combined sensitivity of about 101db and additionally you amplifier will produce twice as much power into this load increasing spl by 3db. So you will have an additional 5db compared to a single NV212T and 8db more than the NV115. These differences are significant.

You should try the cabinets to hear for yourself the differences. It appears that getting the same volume capability from the NV212T as your pair of HDNs would require two cabinets.

Sorry I can't speak from experience with these cabs, but this is what I think the specs are indicating.

Note, corrected to HDN112 as pointed out by Munjibunga below.
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Thanks very good info.
I don't have the neo HDN112 cabs mine are the discontinued HD112 ceramic drivers. I'll bet the ratings are close to the neos though. With all this in mind I might be disappointed with a single 8ohm Nv212t. I am happy with my current setup but many of the clubs around here are remodeling and removing carpet etc and have become brittle and more live eq wise. The ported cabs can sound boomy on stage in these accoustically unfriendly venues.
 
#96
Need to jump back in on this thread. Ready to finally pull the trigger on my first Berg cab. I'm torn between the NV212 or getting one of the Berg 410. They have a great used HD Series 410(seems like a steal at $750 w/cover) at Bass San Diego but it's a beast(heavy). I really dug the voicing and weight of the HDN410 when I played it yesterday but don't really want to drop $1600. I'm just curious if the NV212 is going to be able to keep up with our full band...2 guitars/keys-B3/horn section/drums in louder settings. We play bluesy rock n roll that gets pretty loud at times. Playing small to medium size venues with the occasional larger theaters thrown in. 212 be enough or do I need the physicality and headroom of a 410?

So basically I'm torn down the middle between 4 cabs:

HD410
HDN410
NV212
HDN212
 
#97
The B|Amp is good for 350 watts@8 Ohms, and I haven't gone past noon on the master volume with a single NV212T. That thing happily takes on a six-piece horn band with a heavy-handed drummer.

Now, I DID buy a second NV212T yesterday on the way to rehearsal with that same band. I was overpowering the drums, the PA, and the horns, while making myself deaf with the volume at 10 o'clock.
 
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RTL said:
The B|Amp is good for 350 watts@8 Ohms, and I haven't gone past noon on the master volume with a single NV212T. That thing happily takes on a six-piece horn band with a heavy-handed drummer.

Now, I DID buy a second NV212T yesterday on the way to rehearsal with that same band. I was overpowering the drums, the PA, and the horns, while making myself deaf with the volume at 10 o'clock.
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Sounds like another 212t for sale soon? :)
 

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