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I have tried that amp with the NV212T and it drove it nicely. The Bamp of course does offer more options.
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Bergantino NV212T
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Yes. I really don't have any qualms with the tone of the LM3 and will definitely keep it to pair with my NY115 for smaller gigs as they are a great match. I can just tell that it doesn't have the oomph behind it to push the sealed Berg and therefore am not getting all that the NV212 offers.
Not being overly familiar with the Berg amps yet(I did play through the Forte and was pretty impressed) I'd imagine they are plenty powerful to push that cab as I see a lot of people pairing them together. I never see the 8ohm rating for their heads though. What is the rating at 8ohms or what is the reason for not having an 8ohm rating? 350watts? From what I've gathered the new ICE powered heads are much more efficient and actually hit their stated outputs. It's been about 6-7 years since I bought the LM3 so un upgrade is long overdue.
Man oh man is this cab breaking in nicely! Still haven't gigged it yet because my last two gigs were fly aways but have done several rehearsals as well as finally spent a good amount of time with it at home. Between the speakers starting to settle in and me getting used to the sealed vibe as well as my first go with 12's(took me a bit to find my ideal eq settings) I've got to say it feels like I made the perfect decision. It's warm and punchy as hell and the tweeter is amazing and so usable when needed. Really can't wait to gig it but my local group is recording right now rather then gigging 
Strongly considering taking it in to my next recording session and using it with the vintage Ampeg V4B for my mic'd signal...... so I was wondering if there's a general consensus on how many hours of play for the speakers to be properly set in/broken in or if some of that is just a myth. I've only been able to put in about 15-20 hours on it and most of it is quiet levels out side the rehearsals.
Last question if someone can chime in is I'd like to add a 1x12 cab into the mix (Bergantino of course) and am looking for suggestions as to which would be the best fit. I'd kind of like to have one of the HDN's because I do like their tone and the light weight would make it perfect for smaller gigs when I leave the NV212 home. But maybe that's not the best match for when I want to mix them and pull a 4ohm load. Reference maybe?
At any rate the NV212T is a great piece of equipment and the feedback I got here was really helpful in my decision to pick one up.
Strongly considering taking it in to my next recording session and using it with the vintage Ampeg V4B for my mic'd signal...... so I was wondering if there's a general consensus on how many hours of play for the speakers to be properly set in/broken in or if some of that is just a myth. I've only been able to put in about 15-20 hours on it and most of it is quiet levels out side the rehearsals.
Last question if someone can chime in is I'd like to add a 1x12 cab into the mix (Bergantino of course) and am looking for suggestions as to which would be the best fit. I'd kind of like to have one of the HDN's because I do like their tone and the light weight would make it perfect for smaller gigs when I leave the NV212 home. But maybe that's not the best match for when I want to mix them and pull a 4ohm load. Reference maybe?
At any rate the NV212T is a great piece of equipment and the feedback I got here was really helpful in my decision to pick one up.
Just checking in with the NV212 owners to see how happy everyone is so far. I am in a bit of a gig down cycle for the next 6 weeks or so and thought I would re-consider adding the NV212 to my gear options. Already have a CN212 as a primary cab that I love to death. Also have an NV610 (non tweeter) which does not go out too much because of the schlep factor ... that and I generally just don't need that much firepower on stage.
For amps, I have a Walkabout (300w @ 4ohms, but only 165@8ohms), Demeter VTBP-M-800DJ (800w @ 4 ohms, 400w @ 8 ohms). I also have a Fender Studio which delivers 200+ solid watts of all tube goodness @ 8ohms and is typically a great amp with sealed cabs. Only odd thing about this amp is that it is unusually wide so I might have to run an NV212 on its side to avoid the dreaded T-bone look. But I could figure out some kind of tilt back arrangement, it would probably be just fine (other than possible dispersion issues).
So, how do all of you (still) like your NV212's ? and how about any feedback on the power it needs to sound its best .. particularly given that it's rated at 8ohms instead of 4 like the CN212.
let me know .. thanks
For amps, I have a Walkabout (300w @ 4ohms, but only 165@8ohms), Demeter VTBP-M-800DJ (800w @ 4 ohms, 400w @ 8 ohms). I also have a Fender Studio which delivers 200+ solid watts of all tube goodness @ 8ohms and is typically a great amp with sealed cabs. Only odd thing about this amp is that it is unusually wide so I might have to run an NV212 on its side to avoid the dreaded T-bone look. But I could figure out some kind of tilt back arrangement, it would probably be just fine (other than possible dispersion issues).
So, how do all of you (still) like your NV212's ? and how about any feedback on the power it needs to sound its best .. particularly given that it's rated at 8ohms instead of 4 like the CN212.
let me know .. thanks
I would love to add a NV212 to my Berg pile but at about 70% of the weight of the NV610, I think I would probably just use the 610 whenever a situation like that came up. If I didn't already have the 610 I would probably just go for the 212 instead. Regardless, I'm still interested to hear feedback on the 212 as well.
I can’t live without mine. Saturday, at a venue I usually use my NV412, I decided to take the 212 instead. Glad I did...it performed juuuuust fine. Just a huge sounding cab that has that sealed cab thing in spades....well, because it is!
I feel ya ... but if the NV212t covers 80% of the what I use the NV610 for, I could easily see myself selling off the NV610 cab to offset the cost of the new cab. While I am a big fan of the outstanding sealed goodness that the NV610 delivers, I do think twice about taking it out due to its size/weight ... and with most gigs giving me solid FOH these days, I just don't need the SPL.
thanks husky123. What are your thoughts about the power needs of the NV212t ? Upthread a bit I am reading some as saying that the cab really needs some juice to sound right. What amp(s) are you using with your NV212t ? Jim B's page shows it's rated at 400w rms. I'm guessing the WA (165w @ 8ohms) might not work very well with this cab where it pretty much kills thru the 4ohm CN212.
I have a long list of amps but can definitely tell you your WA will kill through it. Those 2 go together extremely well. I mostly use my WA, B Amp and, at times, my Meatsmoke. Honestly though, I haven't found an amp that didn't go well with it. I don't notice it to be very power hungry.
I forgot to mention about the 212....it took a long time to break those drivers in. At first, I was taken back how it sounded but I stayed with it and once it loosened up, oh boy, I was in “half a 412” heaven. I’d been waiting on Jim to make this cab for a looooong time. So glad he did.
I'll 2nd this. ...in a VERY sketchy way. ..
I'm 99.99% sure the WA would kill with the NV212T. ...based solely on my experience with it thru the NV412 - which it sounded superb thru. LOTS of volume thru the 4 x 12"s so. .this'll obviously be lessened thru just 2x12"s but. ..wow. . Just thinking of how it'd sound thru a sealed NV212 makes me consider the 212!
I've got neither my WA nor the NV412 anymore. .. but my NV215 would surely show me nice nice too
I only sold my WA as I just wasn't using it - instead reaching for the V4B or TH500 (which STILL suits me to the bone & performs flawlessly. ...AND I rarely touch the controls of it. . They just stay the same from gig to gig. ..maybe a tweak to the DRIVE or GAIN for some dirt. ..or a slight change in the mid frequency. .. sorry, I'm OT again. .
Righto. ..the WA imo.. that's a big Yayesss into the NV212T. ..or ANY NV Berg cab from my experience (610, 412 & 215)
thanks rodl2005 - I have no doubt the WA will work great with a sealed cab (or ported cab for that matter) ... but given the NV212t's 8ohm rating, the WA will only be delivering ~165w. It's one thing to run the WA's full 300w into the 4ohm NV610 .. I have done it and had great results .... but cutting that output to ~165 would make me think that it could be a bit underpowered for the stuff I do. Now, I also have the Demeter (400w @ 8ohms) so I am not worried about having any amp to drive an NV212t. Its more about the right amp to drive a sealed cab.
I definitely understand your concern with the WA, I was there too but with its workmanlike approach and its......"thing" it does, the match is very, very nice. Sure, maybe if I was playing in a death metal band with 4 guitarist and 2 drummers, it might not cut it, but for us "normal" folks, it really gets plenty loud with a decent amount of headroom.
2x12"s didn't cut it for me on occasions. .. rare occasions but they were ported cabs. ..one can push (good) sealed cabs a little harder perhaps?
I'd love to try one. ..unlikely here. ..as I'm the only person that I know of with ANY Berg cabs in my town... apart from the ppl I've sold mine to
I'd love to try one. ..unlikely here. ..as I'm the only person that I know of with ANY Berg cabs in my town... apart from the ppl I've sold mine to
How long was your break in time? I'm definitely finding this to be true as well. It seems to get bit better each time I play it but I can tell it's not fully opened up yet. Been in recording mode as of late as well so haven't had any gigs or rehearsals to put it through the paces and speed up the process. Been mostly home use since I got it.
Guessing, I’d say a good 7-8 hours of solid play time maybe a little more. I think in the grand scheme of things, that’s not a long time compared to some cabs but my point was, give it some time. It just continues to get better and better.
Silly question.. how do these cabs handle a low b? Do you find it something that this cab lacks in?
I have to wonder if the problem is really the rumble in the 40-50 hz range.
Here's what I think: Many bass cabs cannot develop much output in this range. Boosting a ported cab below it's cutoff makes the cones jump around, but the movement is not efficiently producing sound. Basically the energy is wasted and the speaker is moving so much trying to reproduce super low frequencies that it becomes less effective at producing tones that are within its pass band. Thus the sound is degraded.
In my experience, when working with cabs that are designed to produce super low notes, boosting 40 hz gives the bass a smooth liquid feel. Put a little cut at 80 hz to make space for the bass drum, and there should be no need for a volume war unless your band features super low synth lines.
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