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Bergantino

#201
RocketMusic said:
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DOH! I need a cold shower.... Well, at least now I know where bassist go when they die.... ;)
Here's a guy that took a wet dream and made it reality - you're my hero!!!!! :) Not real hard to motivate you to go to work hey? ;)

-PE
 
#202
Greg,

While I was culling your site and drooling over just about everythang, I "carted" an amp setup just to "set a goal";).

I noticed while checking over the Berg cabs that the "big boxes"(610/412) with a Genz 9.0 actually cost less than a HT/EX 112 ER stack.

Are them little boogers THAT good?:smug: Even you said the 610 was "frickin' awesome". I know the stack will sound different than one large box but I'm :confused:. I know they're different in construction so other than a "portability premium" what do the little guys give ya the big guys can't?

Maybe some other guys who've heard both can chime in too.

:D

God Bless, Ray
 
#203
112's - are they that good? Yes. Will they compete with a 412 or 610 in terms of oomph? Not a chance.

Here's what seems to be my new formula.

80% of gigs = single 12" cab. This used to be a lower number, but these things are ferocious.

17% of gigs = two 12" cabs. This is LOUD.

3% of gigs = two (Epifani) 310 cabs. This is L O U D.

Anything beyond that will have FoH reinforcement and my only concern will be for stage volume - likely two 112's. Anything beyond that means I just got the dream call for the Winger reunion tour...and I'll be getting fitted for a wig and fake tattoos as well as my multiple Bergantino 610 cabs. :D
 
#204
For me, the 112 vs. the 610 is an application choice. For recording, it's the HT112ER (or maybe even the Begr 112 model without the tweeter). But for maximum tone in a live setting, it's just hard to beat the larger cabs (410, 412, 610, etc.). They push so much more air and really make you feel it.

That said, life is all about the compromises we make, right? If I were gigging much more regularly than I do (say 2-3 times per week instead of my 1-2 times per month), the 112 sized cabinets would start looking pretty darn attractive pretty darn quick. But in my own situation, most of my gigs turn into events just because they're so rare. I don't mind working a little harder and bringing out all the heavy junk to maximize my enjoyment of the event.

I can totally see where someone like Jerry who is all the time hopping from trio hits to studio calls to bigger wedding/corporate party type gigs would want a modular rig that can be scaled as needed and sound good regardless of the rig size. The micro heads and the smaller cabs are just the thing in that situation.

So I'd start by asking myself "what is my situation?"
 
#209
OK,

The amp I'd be competing against is a Fender "Hot Rod" Deville. So you'se guys are sayin' I can run with 60W all tube 410 with a Genz 9.0 and a single HT112ER?

We run everything through the sound system even for reherarsing but we can get loud (fringe benefit of the backwoods) ;)

If I can thump w 2 112 cabs and keep up, I could literally carry my own gear.

Thanks fer helping an idjut :D

God Bless, Ray
 
#211
Jerry, whom I refer to as my Brother from another Mother, has the same break down as to usage as I. My only difference is that I had previously owned a Epi UL 112, which I kept, and added a HT 112 er. I love that combination. I have done two small Jazz gigs with just the HT 112 er; once with a Markbass LM II 2, 500 watts and the other with the Epi UL 902c @ 900 watts. I really liked the tone I got out of the Epi. However, at home, when I connect both cabs to the Markbass, the tone I get is incredible. I have not gigged with both cabs. I have also done a gig with my 11 piece wedding/corporate band, and used only the Berg HT 112er. It is primarily used as a stage monitor because we run everything through the PA. In that setting, it kills. So I join in Jerry's opinion and usage of the Berg 112's. I also like Jerry have the Epi UL310, but I also have the UL 410 S2. Both are awesome cabs, but I play for 2 churches and I freelance. The modular rigs are so darn easy to move, that I find that I rarely need my other cabs. I won't sell them because occasionally I get a call to do a gig in a big ballroom with PA support just for the vocals, and I need to move more air; but that's like 3% of the time. Looking at that break down, if I had to choose, I would go with the modular rig, but your situation may be totally different.
 
#212
RocketMusic said:
Oh, yeah, a Shuttle 9 and a single HT112ER would hang with a 60W guitar amp, no prob. Two would be all the better and would increase the push of the rig, but it's probably not necessary.
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I'd try and start with one and add the second later. It's shocking to me that such a small rig can run with a moderately powered tube amp, but you guys know more n' I do so I trust your judgments.

Virgil said:
Jerry, whom I refer to as my Brother from another Mother, has the same break down as to usage as I. My only difference is that I had previously owned a Epi UL 112, which I kept, and added a HT 112 er. I love that combination. I have done two small Jazz gigs with just the HT 112 er; once with a Markbass LM II 2, 500 watts and the other with the Epi UL 902c @ 900 watts. I really liked the tone I got out of the Epi. However, at home, when I connect both cabs to the Markbass, the tone I get is incredible. I have not gigged with both cabs. I have also done a gig with my 11 piece wedding/corporate band, and used only the Berg HT 112er. It is primarily used as a stage monitor because we run everything through the PA. In that setting, it kills. So I join in Jerry's opinion and usage of the Berg 112's. I also like Jerry have the Epi UL310, but I also have the UL 410 S2. Both are awesome cabs, but I play for 2 churches and I freelance. The modular rigs are so darn easy to move, that I find that I rarely need my other cabs. I won't sell them because occasionally I get a call to do a gig in a big ballroom with PA support just for the vocals, and I need to move more air; but that's like 3% of the time. Looking at that break down, if I had to choose, I would go with the modular rig, but your situation may be totally different.
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Virgil,

I'd play smaller places (less than 1000) and having the mod rig would be a plus for me. Besides if I ever had a need I could get a big box later right?:smug:

Thanks guys!

:D

God Bless, Ray
 
#213
Virgil! Great to see you here, man! Awfully good people around these parts...I hope you're well! (For those who don't know, Virgil is a wonderful fellow and an incredible musician.)

Good luck with your decision, Ray. I'm still amazed with the HT112ER - not just the output, but the quality of the output. It sounds like a million bucks. I've been tempted to bring the second cab on a coupla' gigs now, but it would've been overkill. The live-gig sound from a single cab is something to behold. That said, I'll be pushing a 14-piece band in a HUGE ballroom at the end of the month, and I can't wait to stack up two of these dogs and chase after it.

Following up on Virgil's comments - my Epifani cabs have been sitting in the garage for almost a year now. The 410 (S1...and how I wish it was 4-ohms instead of 8) actually hasn't been gigged since last March. I just can't see getting rid of them, though. For the right gig, they're very special. Of course, if I luck into a deal where someone needs an Epi 410, that Berg 4-ohm 410 might quickly be front & center on my radar screen.
 
#214
Howdy, Virgil! And welcome!

So my new and improved rig of doom is now complete! I was missing one last little piece (an 8" male-to-male XLR cable), and Danny hooked me up with that this morning with his mad soldering skills.

My Crest CA6 is probably 10+ years old, so it doesn't have the new fangled switches for bridging the inputs or outputs. If you want to bridge it, you just bridge it. I go into channel A with the 1/4" cable running from my F1X's output, and then I use my new XLR cable to jump channel A over to channel B. Bada-bing, bada-boom! 1500W instead of 600W into my soon-to-be Berg NV610! That SHOULD be enough power. :smug: :D

Danny's comment? My rig is now so embarrassing, it's nowhere near as tall as I am. :rollno:
 
#219
How do the little 112 rigs handle low B, btw?
Their freq. response is rated as 40hz, which is the depth of a low E, right?

I know with the low strings we hear mostly harmonics anyway, but still, I'm curious.
 
#220
Darkstrike said:
How do the little 112 rigs handle low B, btw?...
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Bill, it's MASSIVE. I posted these earlier - can't remember which thread (imagine that). This was a pretty loud gig - definitely much louder than I expected going in. Shuttle 9.0 and a single HT112ER.

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