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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

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Fed Ex is not having a good week.

The pooched out on a next day deliveries from both coasts. Anticipated Wednesday deliver and not here yet.

My vinyl fix was denied this week as Fed Ex left a sig/required box at an unknown location on a front porch.

Appears the Arctic fiasco is placing the Un reliable moniker all over the nation.
 
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Mike Arnopol said:
Yeah---I'm likely going to lose some sales, but I'm starting to ask potential buyers how loud they're going to play these speakers in normal use. A lot of guys think it would be nifty to get a 112 but are going to mainly play them at home for practicing. I could just sell them the cab and call it a day. But now I'm telling them that they'd be happier with a smaller cab of mine---or maybe someone else's. All cabs have a "sweet spot" where they'll perform their best. Amps, too. I think that mine have a very wide sweet spot but they also have points where they're not at their optimum. Everyone's cabs are like that to one degree or another. A common mistake guys make is finding a cab that will go pretty crazy loud before giving up the battle. And that's the volume they want to push them all the time. They'll sound ok---modern woofers can go quite far before farting out---but they won't sound their best. They'll cover the gig but there will be no headroom. Likewise, some speakers won't come into their own until a certain volume level. They'll sound good, but won't be at their best.

It's like a thread I was involved with on TB. Guys were talking about a very nice little amp that would put out 800 watts max into 4 ohms. So they'd run the crap out of it into two 15's and it would complain that it would thermally cycle and sound like crap. Now---I am critical of a company that would put out an amp that couldn't hold its peak wattage without crapping out---but I'm just as critical of someone that would expect an amp to be constantly driven to its limits and then complains that it doesn't sound good. If you're pushing a speaker or amp to its limits--you lose any additional headroom. It'll go loud, but won't have that extra "oomph" and lovely envelope of sound. I use an amp that puts out 1200 watts. I really only need 500 at most. But that 1200 watt amp sounds glorious putting out 500 watts, where an amp that puts out a measured 600 watts max doesn't sound nearly as good. Both amps from the same manufacturer and of the same quality. Headroom
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I still have not figured out the new website format here on TB. I quoted Mike's post however. This is why, Mike's honesty is the "get what you are looking for" guide. And you can call him direct, and tell him what you play, in what type of rooms, theatres, arenas etc and he will give you the options. I have 3 units now. Shame on me for self indulgence. But they are the stuff IMHO. I have owned a fair number of big name stuff. It's all good. MAS is great IMHO. But that is just me a local guy, no arena gigs booked. But you really don't need this quality if you are arena booked. The arena does! IMHO and I hope Leland gets some of my local venues that sound like mud. Your experience at club gigs will be unexpectedly awesome. Get your feet wet with a 1x12. No going back
 
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mntngrown said:
"...Mike's honesty is the "get what you are looking for" guide. And you can call him direct, and tell him what you play, in what type of rooms, theatres, arenas etc and he will give you the options. I have 3 units now. Shame on me for self indulgence. But they are the stuff IMHO. I have owned a fair number of big name stuff. It's all good. MAS is great IMHO. But that is just me a local guy, no arena gigs booked. But you really don't need this quality if you are arena booked. The arena does! IMHO and I hope Leland gets some of my local venues that sound like mud. Your experience at club gigs will be unexpectedly awesome. Get your feet wet with a 1x12. No going back
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Good idea - the PA, that is. I've worked with Leland since the early MVW days on a small club PA. After some trial and retrial, we've landed on 2 - GC25ho speakers combined with the RachE 112 sub I mentioned back in post #1400. Believe it or not, the MVW-based 2X5's (see Invalid Link Removed compete well with a high-quality 1X15, and bring that erie room-filling thing to the mains. On their own, they may not have as full a low end as a 1X15 perhaps, but when combined with the RachE sub crossed over at about 100Hz it all sounds glorious. It's also quite portable, though the GC25's are pretty beefy for their size (30+-ish lbs?). But back on topic - after my single experience with the RachE as a bass cab - I think an MAS 112 is in my future!
 
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TomB said:
Good idea - the PA, that is. I've worked with Leland since the early MVW days on a small club PA. After some trial and retrial, we've landed on 2 - GC25ho speakers combined with the RachE 112 sub I mentioned back in post #1400. Believe it or not, the MVW-based 2X5's (see Invalid Link Removed compete well with a high-quality 1X15, and bring that erie room-filling thing to the mains. On their own, they may not have as full a low end as a 1X15 perhaps, but when combined with the RachE sub crossed over at about 100Hz it all sounds glorious. It's also quite portable, though the GC25's are pretty beefy for their size (30+-ish lbs?). But back on topic - after my single experience with the RachE as a bass cab - I think an MAS 112 is in my future!
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Took a bit, but we got the pa stuff dialed. Thanks for being a guinea pig Tom
 
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MrBEAR said:
Would that configuration be in total or per side?
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I'm using 1 per side but for pretty small rooms at relatively low volume - critter clubs and the like. Leland suggests 2 per side for larger venues, which I'd peg at 150+ based on my own judgment/experience. I'm sure 2 per side would sound killer, but you'd need to work on stability logistics to stack them on a conventional single speaker pole - Leland has that piece figured out, I'm sure. I noticed that his site lists these at 27 lbs. - two stacked on a pole should be ok weight-wise; lots of single boxes weigh 54 lb +. I noticed too that he also has a 2X8 that I would expect handles larger rooms as well, but you should ask him about the best fit for a specific application.
 
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Had to show off a pic of my new MAS112. It was built by Leland Crooks. Mike allowed him to build it, as it made sense because I only live about 35 minutes from Leland. I took a chance on a different look with red only under the grill with everything else black. I really like how that turned out. Can't wait to get it out in a live setting:bassist:
 
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TomB said:
I'm using 1 per side but for pretty small rooms at relatively low volume - critter clubs and the like. Leland suggests 2 per side for larger venues, which I'd peg at 150+ based on my own judgment/experience. I'm sure 2 per side would sound killer, but you'd need to work on stability logistics to stack them on a conventional single speaker pole - Leland has that piece figured out, I'm sure. I noticed that his site lists these at 27 lbs. - two stacked on a pole should be ok weight-wise; lots of single boxes weigh 54 lb +.
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We have even gone as as far as four stacked on a pole per side. However, the new GC-28C units are much more suitable for venues needing two or more 25s per side.
 
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