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Big E speakers: Pt 2

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#281
Alright--I hate doing this ---but I'm going to kick it up to Tom and Steve to find a handle solution.

Drag is---whenever they come up with a solution--it's always a big challenge to build!

Like the original cab the Tach 4 (48)

The original one had cross-firing AND the upper two tilting back--I was like "Dudes---there's no way I'm going to build that!"
 
#282
Mike Arnopol said:
When compared to the Berg it's only 3 or 4 lbs heavier and a bit smaller.
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The first time I tried to pick up the 85 I would have called shenanigans. I went and checked out the shipping labels just to be sure. I would have laid money on a 15 lb difference.... I would have lost, but I couldn't believe the difference the handles made. You were right though, the more you move it the more options you find to do so.
 
#283
Mike Arnopol said:
I think that rather than "fast" I would describe it to feel pretty immediate in the attack. And it is fast on the decay. (when that's called for)

Mark A gave a pretty cool description that felt apt.

He said that it has more the immediacy of an acoustic instrument. To me---it feels like the difference of when I play my upright acoustically and then through an amp. No matter how great the amp--it never feels like the notes are jumping out like when it's played acoustically. It is trippy--I don't really have a real clue why.
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liam_g said:
Thanks Mike. That's great to know. I've got some stuff I'm going to put up for sale soon to raise some funds. I think a pair of 45's would just be perfect with my GK MB Fusion head.

Cheers,
Liam
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I bet that would sound fantastic! You will probably want to grab an Fdeck HPF to get a handle on the big GK lows. I have had zero issue pushing big bass through mine, but the Streamliner has a HPF built in at 34hz.
 
#284
Ukiah Bass said:
This Penn Elcom H1008-00 handle may be immune to rattling. A single handle has a rated lift load of 88 pounds. A pair would handle up to 176 pounds.

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This would be my choice if you can't use the inset cup handles. No rattling, comfortable, and pretty classy. One on each side would do it for a 50 or so pound cab
 
#285
3rdcurve said:
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I bet that would sound fantastic! You will probably want to grab an Fdeck HPF to get a handle on the big GK lows. I have had zero issue pushing big bass through mine, but the Streamliner has a HPF built in at 34hz.
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Yeah I've thought of that. I typically cut the bass control on the fusion to 10:00, but maybe the hpf would still be beneficial? Any opinions?

Cheers,
Liam
 
#286
KJung said:
This would be my choice if you can't use the inset cup handles. No rattling, comfortable, and pretty classy. One on each side would do it for a 50 or so pound cab
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I think I'll try 'em. I was thinking lengthwise,(suitcase style) but across the sides (perpendicular to the front and back) would probably be great!

Hey 3rd--I'll spring for a couple if you want to try them. I do think that t-nuts would be advisable though.

Thanks Ukiah---and Ken---great idea!
 
#288
To be honest--I do think that an Fdeck would be good if you're going to be cranking them.

I wasn't a fan of the Fusion until I heard one through the 85 and 48. It's not like they're overly romantic speakers but they do seem to do well with aggressive heads as well as warmer ones. The highs on the 85 are unlike the highs on any bass cabs I've heard. They just don't seem to draw attention to themselves. What I consider to be more up-front sounding amps(to my ears) like the GK or Tonehammer seem to do well---they don't seem to take your head off like I felt that they did with some cabs.
 
#289
Thanks Mike. I tame the head by running it treble at 10:00, hi mids at noon, low mids at 2:00, and bass at 10:00. It tames the high end zing, and the low end rumble. But an FDeck HPF would be welcome. I have a gen 2 that I used for upright, and always had good luck with it. By all accounts the gen 3 works great for electric.

Cheers,
Liam
 
#291
I have a Subaru wagon that handles my 1515/66, so the MA48 is a breeze, space wise. I put skid rails on both cabs, and think like an Egyptian building a pyramid when it comes to moving cabs. Never lift anything if I can help it.
The 4 corner handles let me manipulate the 4x8 onto things with wheels, without lifting, and I skid it into the wagon. I only lift a portion of the weight at skid in time as it is already resting on one corner at the bumper.
i.e. fulcrum and lever and mechanical advantage etc.
If there will be a set of stairs in it's gigging future my trusty folding dolly always goes with.
 
#292
mntngrown said:
I have a Subaru wagon that handles my 1515/66, so the MA48 is a breeze, space wise. I put skid rails on both cabs, and think like an Egyptian building a pyramid when it comes to moving cabs. Never lift anything if I can help it.
The 4 corner handles let me manipulate the 4x8 onto things with wheels, without lifting, and I skid it into the wagon. I only lift a portion of the weight at skid in time as it is already resting on one corner at the bumper.
i.e. fulcrum and lever and mechanical advantage etc.
If there will be a set of stairs in it's gigging future my trusty folding dolly always goes with.
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After playing the MA85, I imagine the 48 is a monster!
 
#293
80 something pounds although they are lighter now.
No issue for me as described above.
Even though I am a senior citizen I still grab 2 50lb dumbells off the rack at the gym,(very carefully).
Lift with the legs with the weight as close to the body as possible. The bear hug is ideal if one has to lift a heavy cab.
I try not to.
 
#294
And if you meant soundwise, it is indeed.
Going to play an outdoor gig witout pluggin into the PA in May. I am quite sure it will get the job done. The drummer is a hard hitter and the songlist has Hendrix and SRV too!
The dispersion phenomena that Leland talks about, where he plays music outside his shop, and the cops tell him people a mile away are complaining, is what I am talking about here.:cool:
 
#295
Mike Arnopol said:
Unfortunately for Shrigg the side handle idea was a disaster. A trusted source (ahem Leland!) said that the Penn Elcom spring loaded handles didn't make any noise on his PA cabs. It's not his fault
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Hey Mike, did even the new ones rattle? They have twice as heavy a spring in them, (actually 2), designed for 200-400lb cabs.

H1008 is a good handle. But it will need hurricanes or tee nuts. I'm shopping handles furiously. They are hard on these cabs.
 
#296
mntngrown said:
And if you meant soundwise, it is indeed.
Going to play an outdoor gig witout pluggin into the PA in May. I am quite sure it will get the job done. The drummer is a hard hitter and the songlist has Hendrix and SRV too!
The dispersion phenomena that Leland talks about, where he plays music outside his shop, and the cops tell him people a mile away are complaining, is what I am talking about here.:cool:
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Sound wise is exactly what I meant!
 
#297
mntngrown said:
I have a Subaru wagon that handles my 1515/66, so the MA48 is a breeze, space wise. I put skid rails on both cabs, and think like an Egyptian building a pyramid when it comes to moving cabs. Never lift anything if I can help it.
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OK, I'm putting it together. Mntngrown+Subaru= you must be here in Colorado!
 
#298
Sorry, I know you want to hear one locally, but it is a funny reference to call Calif coastal hills mountains. Really funny when I lived 25 mins from a store, and 50 mins from a real city but was only at 2300ft. Mile high city folks would say "what mountains" Check the Doobie Bros song "Loma Prieta my mountain home". That area. Although I am no longer up there.
 
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