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Big E speakers: Pt 2

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The tweeter switch---I don't understand it completely--influences the crossover on the mids. I'll have to find out details--but it does seem to remove some "smoothing" when the tweeter is turned off. The net effect is that the faital is using the entirety of its range---up to 8 k. But it's the quality of the mids that is different.Like I said---more of a "paper cone" sound all the way to 8k. It can be pushed into a really nice subtle break up. I elevated the cab turned off the tweeter, cranked it, and got one of the best Pbass rock sounds I've heard. But with detail up to 8k and not sounding like a "hifi" cab. Turned the tweet on and it cleaned up and sounded more like an Anthony Jackson hifi sound. The mids extend quite low, so when the phase reverse is engaged it changes the voicing a lot. Bass gets a bit thinner (more like some of the newer "punchier" hi end cabs. But the low bass stays the same. Using the tweet off switch I was able to get a very convincing early Music Man type of sound.

That's just the tweet on/off switch. There are 3 settings for the volume of the entire mid/tweet section.
0db--no pad---
in phase---stronger more R&B mid bass but with very present mids and highs
out of phase--Same B & E string but very flat in the mid and upper bass (as opposed to the built-in warmth of other MAS cabs) More in-your face mids and highs

-3db
in phase
warmer mid to upperbass than 0db more similar to other MAS cabs in this respect--neutral mids (flatter

out of phase
Very flat in the bass , mids, and highs---flattest setting ( funny thing is--the -6db out of phase setting measures the flattest---but this setting sounds the flattest to my ears--guess I like slightly elevated mids as a starting point)

-6db
in phase
warm, focused bass--less mids and highs---a bit more b15'y

out of phase--more of a sealed box rock sort of tone---especially if you turn the tweet off and turn your treble up a bit

These are initial observations. All I can say is that it's versatile---and functional in it's versatility. Seems a bit intimidating at first but gets more and more intuative.

Volume level is about the same as the 46 and 85 (very close to a single 15 or 410 and edging toward a 212.

Low end is by far the most extended of the Big E's.The new RachE waveguide as used here gives up about 5hz of -3db (now at about 39hz---still crazy low) for much stronger impact. While this cab can sound very hifi it's more about power and impact. The low end is super punchy with very little annoying "bloom" or "overhang". In some settings you can get the "bloom" but the notes stay very separate.

Efficiency is a bit less than the 85 (which is about 100db). I'd say still a strong 97db.

One thing we wanted to get with the 110 was the highest quality
"paper" cone sound as high as we could get . And rather than pushing the woofer into the mid area where it is flat enough but doesn't really shine we found a mid driver that goes quite low and quite high and is doing the "heavy lifting" as far as musical content and the 10 is doing the heavy lifting in the lows to free up the mid driver.

In comparing the 85 to the 110--it's pretty neat.

The 85 is---to me--- a very elegant speaker. Super flat but with lovely midrange definition. Plenty of big, warm bass without the extra warmth of the 46. You can get it to do nasty, but that's not its inherent voice. It's got that BIG E thing of being right there. It sounds really beautiful as 3rd says but will always cut through a mix. Big low end with good extension---but even below it's f3 point it doesn't unload, so the bass always stays focused. Uber hifi midrange definition.

While the 110 can do pretty and elegant there always seems to be an underlying power waiting to get out. Don't know how else to describe it. The 110 is about power and impact. Crazy low end but focused. And all of that versatility is not just about manipulating the frequency response---the cab seems to change its presentation. It just feels different. To me it doesn't seem to be like a "chameleon" that tries to do a bunch of things but doesn't excel at one--know what I mean?

Tom and Steve are admittedly two "wild and crazy guys" but they sure can't seem to keep still. They go nuts going over and over designs and implementation. They're even using crazy expensive "toroidal" inductors on the low pass which maintains power and impact on the low end.

I told them exactly what I was looking for. We picked out the drivers and they went to town. I couldn't be happier with the results.

And there is a 210 coming.
 
The tweeter switch---I don't understand it completely--influences the crossover on the mids. I'll have to find out details--but it does seem to remove some "smoothing" when the tweeter is turned off. The net effect is that the faital is using the entirety of its range---up to 8 k.

Like I said, the switch bypasses the low-pass on the mid so it runs up to 8khz. (so you have it's cone-breakup that will give that specific quality "dirtyness" to the sound)
 
There is no low pass on the mid---the tweet just flies in from quite high---the Faital has a very nice curve--so it is something different. The measurements look very nice in this region. I'm not sure what's happening. I'll try to find out.
 
There is no low pass on the mid---the tweet just flies in from quite high---the Faital has a very nice curve--so it is something different. The measurements look very nice in this region. I'm not sure what's happening. I'll try to find out.

Well, then the summ of the mids and tweeter must be(partially) out of phase.

Btw. which Faital mid driver is used? the W6N8-120? it has a breakup node at 7khz.
 
I took delivery of my new 85 today from Mike Arnopole
and I must say this is a different animal than other cabs.
There is no bloom or overhang after a note is played and
it feels like the cab is attached to your right hand. The Vortex
Voodoo actually seems to be more than a gimmick. The
volume and character of the sounds stays even at a distance
and there is much less room resonance at volume than my
previous TC 115. The low frequency reproduction is very
clear with complex and accurate mids and airy extended
hi's. Each different bass sounds more distinct and problems
in the signal path and in technique are obvious. I picked this
unit to reproduce my 33" Erizias 6 string along with a Jule amps Monique and feel I have found my sound finally. I have an outdoor show this weekend where I will see how the Big E
does in a band context and will report back.
There is something quite revolutionary about this cab upon
first listen though..........
 
"There is something quite revolutionary about this cab upon
first listen though.........."
And don't worry, it won't go away or be a fickle phenomena IMHO.
When I gig, it is with loud old school players, no matter how hard they try to be subtle and reserved on blues songs, the SRV and Hendrix songs open the volume gate. Indoors and outdoors, the 48 I have, just "stands proudly" in the mix. Thought I'd use another phrase, cause it is really more than a cut through thing. People just have to hear it or play through one, and it is readily apparent.
I am very happy with my BigE.
 
"There is something quite revolutionary about this cab upon
first listen though.........."
And don't worry, it won't go away or be a fickle phenomena IMHO.
When I gig, it is with loud old school players, no matter how hard they try to be subtle and reserved on blues songs, the SRV and Hendrix songs open the volume gate. Indoors and outdoors, the 48 I have, just "stands proudly" in the mix. Thought I'd use another phrase, cause it is really more than a cut through thing. People just have to hear it or play through one, and it is readily apparent.
I am very happy with my BigE.

Glad to hear you are still diggin it! What's your amp of choice with the 48?
 
Oh--a mention to 3rd

On Nomatic's cab I used the recessed Penn Elcom handles with the cups cut off. as earlier pictured. Works perfectly. And looks good I think.I'll happily install them on yours. I also used corner rollerblade wheels on the bottom and a small corner handle on the top (center of the back edge). Rolls really nicely I think.

So glad you're diggin' the new cab, Nomatic
 
another thing

I think that the 85--for better or worse--is very akin to the Monique in sonic vibe. Very honest and transparent but warm at the same time. I was talking to Nomatic today and told him ---one weird thing with the Big E stuff--on both of my electrics I had to fine tune pickup and string height. Any small anomalies in setup seem very apparent. But when you lock things in----
 
Oh--a mention to 3rd

On Nomatic's cab I used the recessed Penn Elcom handles with the cups cut off. as earlier pictured. Works perfectly. And looks good I think.I'll happily install them on yours. I also used corner rollerblade wheels on the bottom and a small corner handle on the top (center of the back edge). Rolls really nicely I think.

Sounds great Mike, will give you a call to work out the details!
 
The Vortex Voodoo actually seems to be more than a gimmick... there is much less room resonance at volume than my previous TC 115. The low frequency reproduction is very clear...

Over on the home audio side of things, I build a four-piece multisub system, the idea being that four small subs distributed around the room produce smoother in-room bass than a single large sub. Briefly, the result is a higher degree of decorrelation of the in-room bass energy than we'd have with a single source, so the room-induced peaks and dips are smaller and pitch definition and clarity are thus improved. In-room bass with the multisub system typically clocks in around plus or minus 3 dB across the bass region. Measurements I've made of Big E technology prototype cabs (I'm working on home audio and studio applications) indicate in-room bass smoothness comparable to my multisub system from a single box. So, there must be some powerful Invalid Link Removed [pronounced "gree-gree"] inside those Big E boxes.

I hate competing against Mike's Big E cabs here, but I'm going to have my fun over in the home audio and studio worlds.
 
Measurements I've made of Big E technology prototype cabs (I'm working on home audio and studio applications) indicate in-room bass smoothness comparable to my multisub system from a single box. So, there must be some powerful Invalid Link Removed [pronounced "gree-gree"] inside those Big E boxes.

I hate competing against Mike's Big E cabs here, but I'm going to have my fun over in the home audio and studio worlds.

Oh yes you are. :hyper:
 
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