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Big E speakers: Pt 2

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Thanks, gents!

These cabs are quite compelling, and I haven't even heard one in person yet! I know the quality of Mike's work from my Crazy8 and Crazy88 (superb!); the big remaining question seem to be which one(s) for an aging doubler?

The 4x5's are silly light, I am thinking that with the side handles and casters the 8x5 should be a breeze to move as well.
 
Thanks, DirtPoor. I've always been concerned with having enough rig for the gig. But, as I grow older, I'm even more concerned with fidelity of sound, size and weight. I suppose I could order one and, if I need more, order another.

If any of you are in a position to recap the key information for the 45, I'd appreciate the Readers' Digest condensed version. ;)

Dimensions
Weight
Impedance
Power handling
Sensitivity
Cost
Lead time
etc.

Thanks! :D
 
Dimensions
21 x 15 x 11

Weight
29#

Impedance
8 ohms

Power handling
The rating (thermal--not fartout--this is what most guys use but it's stupid) is 480 watts
I'd say that 200 watts is fine for it and fartout is at about 350

again---in terms of volume---I'd say a super 12 or a 210

Sensitivity
around 97--98db--it's weird--the more power you put into it the more efficient it becomes


Cost
I'll pm that


Lead time
Usually 3 weeks but I'm taking a 1 week vacation so I'll say 4 weeks. For anyone who has dealt with my tardiness--I'm thrilled to say that by summers end there will be no lead time. Since there aren't so many models I'm going to be able to make big runs with extra cabs stocked. With the past year I was making so many different cabs that it was more cab to cab. Now it's only about 6 cabs. And the 45's are so popular that I'm buying a lot of extra wood and doing all of the wacky cutting at one time for say---a dozen cabs. The setup for cutting is the most time consuming.
 
Hey Mark

I'll get back to you with info. I've been trying to get a MAS 110Flex ready for the GTG but I'm not sure if I'll get it done in time. AAA Cooper Trucking has lost a pallet of 4 x 8 sheets of plywood for me.
It shows that it's been in Chicago since Tuesday. I guess it's pretty easy to lose something that small.
Might be able to knock a pound off but I don't think I can get it uner 47#.

You really have to compare it size wise and weight wise to a Super 15, 410 or 212. That's about how loud it goes. But about 10hz deeper in the low end.
 
Hey Mike, do you have any specs for the 210? Weight or dimensions?

Ballparks---but pretty accurate ones

Size 26w x 32h x 14d about 70#

TB'er Thumbsandfingers was just over. He tried the new MAS 110.
When you look at the 110 or 210 you have to keep in mind--

The 110 really can keep up with a 212, single 15 or 410.

The 210 will keep up with an 810 or 215. It goes lower than any Big E cab. I'm not a huge fan of the Kappalite 3010lf in a reflex box. I think that due to its low QTS that it sounds a bit dry.

In a MVW cab it's a different story. Lower extension and tighter bass than the other Big E's but not dry at all. If some say (and I won't disagree) that the MAS cabs can be warmer than some others in the low end (but more focused without overhang), the 110 and 210 are more focused.

Ask Thumbs---the low end on these is pretty goofy.

I'd say that a single 10 would be happy with 300 watts but happier with 400---double that for the 210. But the 210 is 4 ohms so it's not hard coming up with that wattage.

An unusual thing with the technology. It seems that the drivers can handle more power than in another type of loading. I think that it's because there is more stable loading. I know because I've built a properly sized reflex enclosure for the 3010lf. Started getting wanky at lower power than the same one in a MVW.

The 110 and 210 use what is called the RachE MVW. Slightly different than the original waveguide. I have an original (first gen) vortex cab for the 10. And the new RachE. The Rach E was noticeably louder and with greater impact than the gen. 1.

I've had discussions with the Big E guys. With the version one vortex they said you could get 2.5 x the volume level of a single driver in a reflex box. I found that to be true---but not for electric bass. The transients are so much more brutal than whatever 35hz material you would hear going into a pa sub. Even on the E string. So after EXTENSIVE testing I found that 2x a single driver was more accurate for E bass. That is being a bit conservative--but I'd rather be conservative than overly optimistic. Guys have repeatedly told me that a 46 goes as loud as a 410. That's just about right as reflected in the 2x figure.

But the new RachE waveguide is more efficient. I'd say that we can safely use the 2.5 (closer even to 3x) figure on this. The RachE sacrifices about 5hz of extension but is much punchier in the low end. I've tested it A LOT against 3015lf based cabs and it's right there. Punchier and deeper, though. I'm still getting crazy low -3db response in the low end.

Oh--and the 210 will have the same switching as the 110---it looks funny with the military arming switches--I do dig Steve's sense of humor! I even ordered some black carbon fiber arming covers . You can remove the covers if you'd like. The switching really works. Duke looked at Steve's crossover design and was flabbergasted. In a very complimentary way.Not as much about the crossover topology but the complexity of the switching. The switches change multiple aspects of the crossover with each change. It's very cool. Duke and I have surmised that Tom and Steve are aliens that don't require any sleep.They just stay up all night and come up with crazy new stuff. And that they must have made some sort of deal with an alien civilization as far as the MVW stuff. Both of us know exactly what's inside of these cabs and can't figure out for the life of us WHY it does what it does.
 
Ballparks---but pretty accurate ones

Size 26w x 32h x 14d about 70#

TB'er Thumbsandfingers was just over. He tried the new MAS 110.
When you look at the 110 or 210 you have to keep in mind--

The 110 really can keep up with a 212, single 15 or 410.

The 210 will keep up with an 810 or 215. It goes lower than any Big E cab. I'm not a huge fan of the Kappalite 3010lf in a reflex box. I think that due to its low QTS that it sounds a bit dry.

In a MVW cab it's a different story. Lower extension and tighter bass than the other Big E's but not dry at all. If some say (and I won't disagree) that the MAS cabs can be warmer than some others in the low end (but more focused without overhang), the 110 and 210 are more focused.

Ask Thumbs---the low end on these is pretty goofy.

I'd say that a single 10 would be happy with 300 watts but happier with 400---double that for the 210. But the 210 is 4 ohms so it's not hard coming up with that wattage.

An unusual thing with the technology. It seems that the drivers can handle more power than in another type of loading. I think that it's because there is more stable loading. I know because I've built a properly sized reflex enclosure for the 3010lf. Started getting wanky at lower power than the same one in a MVW.

The 110 and 210 use what is called the RachE MVW. Slightly different than the original waveguide. I have an original (first gen) vortex cab for the 10. And the new RachE. The Rach E was noticeably louder and with greater impact than the gen. 1.

I've had discussions with the Big E guys. With the version one vortex they said you could get 2.5 x the volume level of a single driver in a reflex box. I found that to be true---but not for electric bass. The transients are so much more brutal than whatever 35hz material you would hear going into a pa sub. Even on the E string. So after EXTENSIVE testing I found that 2x a single driver was more accurate for E bass. That is being a bit conservative--but I'd rather be conservative than overly optimistic. Guys have repeatedly told me that a 46 goes as loud as a 410. That's just about right as reflected in the 2x figure.

But the new RachE waveguide is more efficient. I'd say that we can safely use the 2.5 (closer even to 3x) figure on this. The RachE sacrifices about 5hz of extension but is much punchier in the low end. I've tested it A LOT against 3015lf based cabs and it's right there. Punchier and deeper, though. I'm still getting crazy low -3db response in the low end.

Oh--and the 210 will have the same switching as the 110---it looks funny with the military arming switches--I do dig Steve's sense of humor! I even ordered some black carbon fiber arming covers . You can remove the covers if you'd like. The switching really works. Duke looked at Steve's crossover design and was flabbergasted. In a very complimentary way.Not as much about the crossover topology but the complexity of the switching. The switches change multiple aspects of the crossover with each change. It's very cool. Duke and I have surmised that Tom and Steve are aliens that don't require any sleep.They just stay up all night and come up with crazy new stuff. And that they must have made some sort of deal with an alien civilization as far as the MVW stuff. Both of us know exactly what's inside of these cabs and can't figure out for the life of us WHY it does what it does.

:eek: PM
 
just talking to Steve---bouncing some ideas around.

I'll have production models of the MAS 110 and 210 in a few weeks.

OK--this is a bit nuts--but---
We're going to make a single 15" based cab

19 x 19 x 45"
likely around 100#
about 100db efficient--an amp with a solid 500 watts would likely be enough---this would kill with a huge tube amp
4 ohms (or 8)

Faital 15XL1400 xmax of 12.9mm
RMS power handling of 1400 watts---real world--maybe 1000watts
should be able to get a -3db of 35hz.

(4) of the 6.5 Faitals (used in the 10" cabs)
(2) Ciare tweets

The amount of air moved with this cab should be the equivalent of about 2300 cc's

An SVT 810 is about 1200 I think
A 215 based on the Kappalite 3015lf's is around 1700cc's

Should be very close to 2 SVT's or 3 super 15's

probably wouldn't sell any but I have to make one!
 
Ballparks---but pretty accurate ones

Size 26w x 32h x 14d about 70#

TB'er Thumbsandfingers was just over. He tried the new MAS 110.
When you look at the 110 or 210 you have to keep in mind--

The 110 really can keep up with a 212, single 15 or 410.

The 210 will keep up with an 810 or 215. It goes lower than any Big E cab. I'm not a huge fan of the Kappalite 3010lf in a reflex box. I think that due to its low QTS that it sounds a bit dry.

In a MVW cab it's a different story. Lower extension and tighter bass than the other Big E's but not dry at all. If some say (and I won't disagree) that the MAS cabs can be warmer than some others in the low end (but more focused without overhang), the 110 and 210 are more focused.

Ask Thumbs---the low end on these is pretty goofy.

I'd say that a single 10 would be happy with 300 watts but happier with 400---double that for the 210. But the 210 is 4 ohms so it's not hard coming up with that wattage.

An unusual thing with the technology. It seems that the drivers can handle more power than in another type of loading. I think that it's because there is more stable loading. I know because I've built a properly sized reflex enclosure for the 3010lf. Started getting wanky at lower power than the same one in a MVW.

The 110 and 210 use what is called the RachE MVW. Slightly different than the original waveguide. I have an original (first gen) vortex cab for the 10. And the new RachE. The Rach E was noticeably louder and with greater impact than the gen. 1.

I've had discussions with the Big E guys. With the version one vortex they said you could get 2.5 x the volume level of a single driver in a reflex box. I found that to be true---but not for electric bass. The transients are so much more brutal than whatever 35hz material you would hear going into a pa sub. Even on the E string. So after EXTENSIVE testing I found that 2x a single driver was more accurate for E bass. That is being a bit conservative--but I'd rather be conservative than overly optimistic. Guys have repeatedly told me that a 46 goes as loud as a 410. That's just about right as reflected in the 2x figure.

But the new RachE waveguide is more efficient. I'd say that we can safely use the 2.5 (closer even to 3x) figure on this. The RachE sacrifices about 5hz of extension but is much punchier in the low end. I've tested it A LOT against 3015lf based cabs and it's right there. Punchier and deeper, though. I'm still getting crazy low -3db response in the low end.

Oh--and the 210 will have the same switching as the 110---it looks funny with the military arming switches--I do dig Steve's sense of humor! I even ordered some black carbon fiber arming covers . You can remove the covers if you'd like. The switching really works. Duke looked at Steve's crossover design and was flabbergasted. In a very complimentary way.Not as much about the crossover topology but the complexity of the switching. The switches change multiple aspects of the crossover with each change. It's very cool. Duke and I have surmised that Tom and Steve are aliens that don't require any sleep.They just stay up all night and come up with crazy new stuff. And that they must have made some sort of deal with an alien civilization as far as the MVW stuff. Both of us know exactly what's inside of these cabs and can't figure out for the life of us WHY it does what it does.

Sounds like they would sound BADA$$!
 
I want to see this one
just talking to Steve---bouncing some ideas around.

I'll have production models of the MAS 110 and 210 in a few weeks.

OK--this is a bit nuts--but---
We're going to make a single 15" based cab

19 x 19 x 45"
likely around 100#
about 100db efficient--an amp with a solid 500 watts would likely be enough---this would kill with a huge tube amp
4 ohms (or 8)

Faital 15XL1400 xmax of 12.9mm
RMS power handling of 1400 watts---real world--maybe 1000watts
should be able to get a -3db of 35hz.

(4) of the 6.5 Faitals (used in the 10" cabs)
(2) Ciare tweets

The amount of air moved with this cab should be the equivalent of about 2300 cc's

An SVT 810 is about 1200 I think
A 215 based on the Kappalite 3015lf's is around 1700cc's

Should be very close to 2 SVT's or 3 super 15's

probably wouldn't sell any but I have to make one!
 
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