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Boss GT 1000Core
- Thread starter Krisfield
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Something I need to confirm. So when all effects blocks are turned off, the input meter in the GTCore seems to correspond with the peak level meter in my DAW, which is saying about -10db. I’ve got my input level set according to Boss recommendations. This gives a decent amount of headroom accord to Boss..
So when I’ve got all my effects blocks turned on, and all the gain and level values set, the peak level meter should be still at -10db? Input Level = Output Patch Level? Then I you guess you adjust what Output volume you want. Thanks for any advice.
So when I’ve got all my effects blocks turned on, and all the gain and level values set, the peak level meter should be still at -10db? Input Level = Output Patch Level? Then I you guess you adjust what Output volume you want. Thanks for any advice.
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I personally think its good to set the input level to -10db so that you have a standardized level feeding whatever FX you are going to use. Set that once for each guitar and leave it there.
You won't be overdriving, nor under driving the signal coming into the box.
The output level should be whatever you want it to be so that you are feeding the destination with a similar solid level. Where its received can always boost it a little bit if it has to, but getting to close to -10db from its output while the destination is at unity gain, will ensure lowest noise floor and full dynamic range of the GT1000. Measure this at a destination mixer or device that has a meter, set to unity gain. You could do this without any FX inserted as a starting point, sure why not.
However, the output levels are definitely not set it and forget it. The overall output level is global for all patches and so it needs to be at a place where you get around -10db coming out of the box most of the time, with some ability to tweak it up and down due to situation at hand. For example, that is how you adjust the headphones volume. At any given situation where you are feeding it to a mixer or something, you would want to put the mixer at unity gain and adjust the general output level so that its showing around -10db on that other mixer. After that you can adjust the bass volume down (or up) from that other mixer as needed. But your peak loudest bass sounds should hit the mixer at around -10db.
But that is still just a starting place, you still have the hard part which is all your FX modules in the GT1000, which can add or attenuate the signal a dozen different ways. gain staging is an art form in and of itself. sometimes you boost the gain in order to get distortion on purpose but then later you need to attenuate the level back down so that the patch will not push the overall output past -10db if you see what I mean. So you have a final patch level you can use to dial back the level of each patch so that they are all roughly around -10db peak output...but really you should be paying attention to the output level at all times while making the patch and watch out for gaining it too much or attenuating it too much at each stage of the FX chain. Only gain it for a reason and bring it back when you can. Avoid boosting EQ frequencies and instead cut the other frequencies, but make up the lost level again, etc.. so that basically you are attempting to maintain that consistently level through the entire FX chain. There are no meters in the chain, so you can only watch the final output meter or better yet the meter one the destination device where its going to. Watch that meter as you work on each FX and be careful with the gain staging. But in the end if you have to tweak the final patch level a bit to bring each patch even with each other around -10, then fine.
Then of course iff you have a song where the bass needs to be quieter without you controlling it from the volume knob on the bass, you could lower the overall patch level of that one patch, relative to all the others, it might come out -20db or whatever...so that the set sounds right with bass quieter on that song...That's ok too.
gain staging is an art form....
You won't be overdriving, nor under driving the signal coming into the box.
The output level should be whatever you want it to be so that you are feeding the destination with a similar solid level. Where its received can always boost it a little bit if it has to, but getting to close to -10db from its output while the destination is at unity gain, will ensure lowest noise floor and full dynamic range of the GT1000. Measure this at a destination mixer or device that has a meter, set to unity gain. You could do this without any FX inserted as a starting point, sure why not.
However, the output levels are definitely not set it and forget it. The overall output level is global for all patches and so it needs to be at a place where you get around -10db coming out of the box most of the time, with some ability to tweak it up and down due to situation at hand. For example, that is how you adjust the headphones volume. At any given situation where you are feeding it to a mixer or something, you would want to put the mixer at unity gain and adjust the general output level so that its showing around -10db on that other mixer. After that you can adjust the bass volume down (or up) from that other mixer as needed. But your peak loudest bass sounds should hit the mixer at around -10db.
But that is still just a starting place, you still have the hard part which is all your FX modules in the GT1000, which can add or attenuate the signal a dozen different ways. gain staging is an art form in and of itself. sometimes you boost the gain in order to get distortion on purpose but then later you need to attenuate the level back down so that the patch will not push the overall output past -10db if you see what I mean. So you have a final patch level you can use to dial back the level of each patch so that they are all roughly around -10db peak output...but really you should be paying attention to the output level at all times while making the patch and watch out for gaining it too much or attenuating it too much at each stage of the FX chain. Only gain it for a reason and bring it back when you can. Avoid boosting EQ frequencies and instead cut the other frequencies, but make up the lost level again, etc.. so that basically you are attempting to maintain that consistently level through the entire FX chain. There are no meters in the chain, so you can only watch the final output meter or better yet the meter one the destination device where its going to. Watch that meter as you work on each FX and be careful with the gain staging. But in the end if you have to tweak the final patch level a bit to bring each patch even with each other around -10, then fine.
Then of course iff you have a song where the bass needs to be quieter without you controlling it from the volume knob on the bass, you could lower the overall patch level of that one patch, relative to all the others, it might come out -20db or whatever...so that the set sounds right with bass quieter on that song...That's ok too.
gain staging is an art form....
Sounds good, cheers. Something I was thinking about was having a utility block with meters in it. You could move it around in the effects chain to check gain stages. I like the sound of cascading gain stages that produce nice sounding drive tones and sustain. Get it wrong and it sounds like crap. Definitely an art form.
When you have a DI on an amp set to post I’m assuming that would also be post effects send?
So I could have a L/R split on main out, one to a mono DI box on my board for FOH with cabsims, the other to my amps return with the option to also run a DI of from the amp?
Not quite sure if I’d ever want to or need to but just trying to get an idea of what I want for my board.
I definitely want a decent di box like the radial or walrus canvas because most of the ones I’ve been given at venues have been beaten up cheap boxes that are probably striping out lots of carefully crafted tone!
So I could have a L/R split on main out, one to a mono DI box on my board for FOH with cabsims, the other to my amps return with the option to also run a DI of from the amp?
Not quite sure if I’d ever want to or need to but just trying to get an idea of what I want for my board.
I definitely want a decent di box like the radial or walrus canvas because most of the ones I’ve been given at venues have been beaten up cheap boxes that are probably striping out lots of carefully crafted tone!
From the Rockshop, LoL cost a premium.
At least you got a nice paper bag with it
Yeah, well, Where else can you get it from?
Congratulations! It’s probably safer to buy local. Anything goes wrong you can take it back. But Boss stuff is rock solid. I support local shops as much as possible. I have imported some stuff like strings, pickups, etc, small items. But yeah, we are paying a premium for being away from the big populations. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
I noticed The Rockshop have a couple of Line 6 Stagesource PA speakers in stock. The L3t is 2x10, 1400w. Apparently they make good FRFR monitors.
I noticed The Rockshop have a couple of Line 6 Stagesource PA speakers in stock. The L3t is 2x10, 1400w. Apparently they make good FRFR monitors.
Yeah, well, Where else can you get it from?
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I always buy local, mainly the Rockshop because I have a really good relationship with them and they always look after me. Lately I have been thinking of getting a spector bass from Andertons, but every time I'm about to pull the trigger I get the "what if something goes wrong" tingle and pull back.
I have the MS-3 now so hopefully the learning curve won't be too steep, and there are some excellent posts in this thread (I should have bookmarked them).
Agreed on the "should have bookmarked them" ! Before buying my Core I read this whole thread to get 'inside info and tips'. The really practical tips are buried within 50+ pages and are impossible to recover when needed. There is so much info here !
It would be so usefull if someone compiled this info into something like this (it's for GT-8) :
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I think that's a goldmine !
Also I want to mention here that my enthusiasm for the Core grew because of this positive thread, no 'fanboys' of other gear that keep nagging about (obvious) flaws, it makes for a pleasant read !
It would be so usefull if someone compiled this info into something like this (it's for GT-8) :
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I think that's a goldmine !
Also I want to mention here that my enthusiasm for the Core grew because of this positive thread, no 'fanboys' of other gear that keep nagging about (obvious) flaws, it makes for a pleasant read !
I've thought about the need for stickies in threads like this.Agreed on the "should have bookmarked them" ! Before buying my Core I read this whole thread to get 'inside info and tips'. The really practical tips are buried within 50+ pages and are impossible to recover when needed. There is so much info here !
It would be so usefull if someone compiled this info into something like this (it's for GT-8) :
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I think that's a goldmine !
Also I want to mention here that my enthusiasm for the Core grew because of this positive thread, no 'fanboys' of other gear that keep nagging about (obvious) flaws, it makes for a pleasant read !
Agreed on the "should have bookmarked them" ! Before buying my Core I read this whole thread to get 'inside info and tips'. The really practical tips are buried within 50+ pages and are impossible to recover when needed. There is so much info here !
It would be so usefull if someone compiled this info into something like this (it's for GT-8) :
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I think that's a goldmine !
Also I want to mention here that my enthusiasm for the Core grew because of this positive thread, no 'fanboys' of other gear that keep nagging about (obvious) flaws, it makes for a pleasant read !
I went back to page 14 and I am bookmarking some useful bits and bobs. I only plugged it in for about an hour today to listen to the factory presets (on both bass and guitar).
I will start to put some actual work tomorrow (I have nothing else on for the whole day)
At the moment I am experimenting with a comp in front AND a comp after my drive. I learned about this trick somewhere on this forum I think. It seems to make the compressor more subtle which is helpfull if you need/want lots of it. It makes sense since both placements have their own advantages/disadvantages. (The second comp is 'FX-1 block' I set to 'stompbox-mode', solely so I can see the function of this block when I look at the fx-signal chain screen)
Yesterday I had my first gig with the 'X-bass' distortion in my patch. It certainly is not my favourite distortion tone of all time but it works well and the good thing about is that the 'growl' is still there even if you put an 'agressive' LPF after it (a lot of FOH sound engineers do this..).
Yesterday I had my first gig with the 'X-bass' distortion in my patch. It certainly is not my favourite distortion tone of all time but it works well and the good thing about is that the 'growl' is still there even if you put an 'agressive' LPF after it (a lot of FOH sound engineers do this..).
The little problem I have with my MS-3, I cannot save the setting of a effect block in one preset and then call it in another preset. Can the GT-1000core do that?
You can do this using the 'stompbox-mode'. If you make a fx-block into a stompbox it becomes a global fx-setting. This means if you make changes to this block in one preset this block will also change in any patch you use this 'stompbox' in.
But this is something else as a 'copy mode' which is maybe what you are looking for ?
Edit : there are 10 stomp-presets for every fx-block
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