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Bugera all tube head

#41
jarrod cunningham said:
why do you think its weird it has 6 6550's ???
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DOH!

I just realized my dumb mistake in thinking;

I'm used to looking at my Orange AD200 which is only 200 watts so it only has 4 tubes. Somewhere along my brain's pathway it decided it was weird to have 6 6550's for 300 watts. :p

I'm smart. :D
 
#43
dont get me wrong , im a peavey guy from way back , but the vb2 just lacks to me . using the el34 not the 6550 put me off from the begining . i have to say i liked my traynor more than the vb2 . but i love tubes and im sure ill give one of these a whirl ....


sirpug said:
It'll have to be damn good or retail for around $500 for me to try it. I don't know about you but for that price I'd rather have the Peavey VB-2 (which I'm in the process of saving for).
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#46
I don't get it? Why all the tripping. An all tube 300 watt amp for under a grand? Might not have status written all over it but perhaps y'all are missing some perspective...

Most Japanese guitar makers, Ibanez being the leading example were cheap, flaky copies of classic original designs. Years later, they sorted their stuff out and now Japanese gear of all kinds is widely desired.

So the Bugera might have a few kinks in the beginning. But the price point slays, and if the design isn't too busy and components not overly cheap (remember, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to quality control and consistency) a few mods here and there... well, it could end up being a collectors item...

Or it could be crap. Either way, more people, more tubes, more happiness!
 
#47
Bugera is crap, I should know, I had 3 of those "Nuke" amps, two blew up, the only thing that I can say is they stood by their product, but the insides fried each time, with the exception of the last one that was damaged in shipping. They do have the pricepoint, yes, but after all the shipping I did back and forth, I would just buy a product that I can trust. Cheaper isn't always a winner, you know? I'm still learning about this equipment stuff and I'm 40!
 
#48
6810 said:
I don't get it? Why all the tripping. An all tube 300 watt amp for under a grand? Might not have status written all over it but perhaps y'all are missing some perspective...

Most Japanese guitar makers, Ibanez being the leading example were cheap, flaky copies of classic original designs. Years later, they sorted their stuff out and now Japanese gear of all kinds is widely desired.

So the Bugera might have a few kinks in the beginning. But the price point slays, and if the design isn't too busy and components not overly cheap (remember, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to quality control and consistency) a few mods here and there... well, it could end up being a collectors item...

Or it could be crap. Either way, more people, more tubes, more happiness!
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I'd agree with you in theory, though Bugera/B*hringer aren't known for making products with "kinks in the beginning". They have a consistently horrible track record from start to finish, with the exception of a handful of products that randomly seem to work.
 
#49
I'm gonna try this out whenever they hit my local music store. If it sounds good i'm walking out with it. I've been dying for a reasonably priced all tube amp and now Bugera has one in their lineup for less then half of an Ampeg-CL.
 
#51
BVV3000 (rear grille on)

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My SVT-CL (rear grille off)

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#52
Gnosticbass said:
I'm gonna try this out whenever they hit my local music store. If it sounds good i'm walking out with it. I've been dying for a reasonably priced all tube amp and now Bugera has one in their lineup for less then half of an Ampeg-CL.
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Both Traynor and Peavey have affordable all tube heads that ring in far cheaper than a CL. If power or volume aren't an issue, Ashdown is introducing a lower wattage all-tube head for a bit cheaper than this amp. Who knows, maybe the Bugera will turn out great... but with something as tricky to nail as an all-tube design, and something that really REQUIRES reliable construction in order to function on any kind of useful level... I certainly wouldn't bank on this being a winner.
 
#54
jarrod cunningham said:
are you talking about the 35 watt ashdown ?
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It's called the Little Bastard and it's actually rated at 30w. Someone here reported the MAP would be about $629.00 USD. Release date is estimated in the March time frame. There is a pic and more info on the Ashdown site. I also saw some NAMM pictures where the graphics for the amp were slightly different. The front was black versus white. The control layout was the same.
 
#55
ishouldbeking said:
... but with something as tricky to nail as an all-tube design, and something that really REQUIRES reliable construction in order to function on any kind of useful level... I certainly wouldn't bank on this being a winner.
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All tube path designs are all the same design, same circuit. There's only so much you can do with the same old tubes. There is no intellectual property left. There's nothing tricky. It's all published in books. It's just sourcing parts and creating manufacturing methods to put them together. B* has got this down. Their guitar amps have a big following.

This might in fact be a copy down to the clipping diodes of an SVT. If there's no IP left, what's it matter. Same amp but cheaper.
 
#56
seamonkey said:
All tube path designs are all the same design, same circuit. There's only so much you can do with the same old tubes. ....
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I seem to recall reading that a schematic can't be copyrighted but a circuit board layout can as "artwork". If the designer figures out a way to have component placement (or the traces connecting them together) affect the tone (through coupling or whatever) then you could have an amp that isn't easy to copy (legally).
 
#57
BillyB_from_LZ said:
I seem to recall reading that a schematic can't be copyrighted but a circuit board layout can as "artwork". If the designer figures out a way to have component placement (or the traces connecting them together) affect the tone (through coupling or whatever) then you could have an amp that isn't easy to copy (legally).
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As I understand it, the schematic can, but the circuit design itself cannot. If someone reverse-engineers their own schematic from the board it's not a copyright violation. If you photocopy the one in the back of the manual, it is.
 
#58
seamonkey said:
All tube path designs are all the same design, same circuit. There's only so much you can do with the same old tubes.
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IMO/IME this couldn't be more wrong.
compare an SVT, to a B15N, to a Sunn, to a Fender, to a Vox and you'll find them all to be different circuits with different tubes.
 
#59
johnk_10 said:
IMO/IME this couldn't be more wrong.
compare an SVT, to a B15N, to a Sunn, to a Fender, to a Vox and you'll find them all to be different circuits with different tubes.
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Yes I gree here. It's like saying all cars are the same, houses are the same, people are all the same, forums all the same....ok point made? :D
They all use tubes to amplify somethng to a louder level, it stops there? :)
 

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