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Buyer/Trader Beware on TB !
- Thread starter Session1969
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I've used seller's pictures only because the seller had a nice backyard and could get a better outside shot than I could. But then I'd take a bunch of pics on my own to show details.
Yeah, I still got screwed. This war I just copy and pasted from the email Seabassman sent me.
It's an Aguilar obp-3 preamp 18v. controls are volume push pull active passive, blend,mid push pull, trouble bass stack.
Here are some more specs and pics from original thread. TRADED - Carvin SB5001, Light and Lovely
Made me think that that is the ad he bought it from.
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Ok......so you're still under the impression that his actions were intentional, when in reality the both of you really did the same thing?
Intentional, maybe not. Would I say tough luck to the person I sold/traded it to ? No. Does it have to intentional for Seabassman to step up and trade me back ? I know what I'd do and I wouldn't pull this "it was five weeks, so it's too late b.s.
How is five weeks not too late? Who knows what you did with it during those five weeks? Who knows what the person you sold it to did with it? (Not that I'm saying you did anything but that's not the point) You had it for five weeks man. That's a long time. GC's return policy isn't analogous because they're a multi billion dollar corporation that can take a hit if need be. One individual selling to another shouldn't be expected to accept a return after five weeks especially considering the fact that the returner sold the item. It was out of seabass's hands for that time and it was out of your hands for part of that time. It's your bass now and no one else's.
Does the fact that you sold it not come into play at all? Do you not see how that competely out ways any other factor in this situation?
If I thought it was possible the neck was warped when I traded you a bass, and I could trade you back, yeah, I would.
On the other hand, if I had sunk a bunch of money into your bass, and I really thought that the neck was in good shape when I had it, I would tell you it's too late.
Individual talk bass sellers are not stores, and they cannot be held to the same return period as internet stores (with notoriously good return policies). I don't know if there is an exact return period spelled out in the talk bass classifieds, but even 30 days feels a little long, to be honest with you.
You had ample time to inspect the bass, and you didn't. That mistake is on you.
I don't think anyone is trying to accuse you of neglecting the bass, and causing damage. But there's just no way to prove it wasn't you, because you had it so long, didn't inspect it, sold it to someone else, without inspecting it, or even taking new pictures of it.
What you are asking for is too much to make the standard talk bass policy. Would it be cool if the guy traded you back? Yeah it would be, but he can't even do that now, because the bass you sent him isn't in the same condition.
If Jared kept the bass for five weeks and then sold it, refunded his seller and then asked you for a refund claiming you didn't disclose issues, would you give him his money back?
No, as a matter of fact, it was how the additional drill holes, the warped board and the loose truss was discovered.
Really?
You sell me a bass. I have it in my possession for five weeks and never really look it over. I sell the bass.
Pete buys the bass. Pete tells me there are issues I didn't disclose. I refund Pete's money and get the bass back.
I realize you didn't tell me about the issues. In the five weeks I owned it, I didn't discover the issues. You should've told me. I, the seller, was responsible for finding and disclosing the issues and I didn't. I acknowledge that and that's why I refunded the money.
Now I tell you that you owe me a refund and you'll give me one?
How far back are you willing to refund someone? 10 years? 6 months?
Exactly as long as you need, plus just a little bit extra?
At some point, that bass is yours.
And that point is when it was sold. Whether that point happened after a day or a year.
Also, realistically, id say about a week is enough time to establish permanent ownership, and that's being generous, IMO.
I always check right out of the box, if it isn't right then it goes back. 5 weeks? Sorry, but that's on you.
We're not not talking ten years or six months are we ? Yes, it's longer than usual but by how long ? A week ? Two ? So, that obsolves Seabassman ? The dude got a mint 2012 American Fender Jazz V Deluxe In the trade. He screwed me.
No. You selling the bass obsolved seabass. Seabass could've replaced the electronics with Squier affinity parts and it became not his problem the second you sold it.
If the cutoff is 30 days + a week, then the cutoff isn't 30 days is it? I can add a week until we get to ten years if you like. It will happen eventually.
Poor form to not disclose known issues when selling it, and then to not own up to it after the fact is even worse.
Now hold on, if sea bass replaced the parts with squire parts, and didn't disclose that, that's fraud, and should be dealt with.
Damage that has appeared on the bass, at some indeterminite point of origin ceases to be seabass's problem, at some length of time after it's been sold. I would say somewhere around a week, but that's open for debate.
