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California to cut prison population

California cutting prison population good news or bad?

  • Good news

    Votes: 24 39.3%

  • Bad news

    Votes: 13 21.3%

  • Make them farm carrots

    Votes: 24 39.3%
  • Total voters
    61
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#61
tasty sweeps said:
why should one life be considered before another?
we're talking about human beings here, just so no one forgets.

i understand your point, but perhaps you missed [one of... haha] mine; we do have the resources to do this. but they're currently... shall we say, not put to the best uses. so that is yet another obstacle. there are many. but without a sort of large-scale vision of what you're working for, it seems like there are only X amount of options.

like i said, many many many outside influences on these kinds of things. it's difficult to discuss any kind of social reform.
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as we get older and the harsh realities of life on this planet become more apparent,hopefully, one learns that change comes slowly,in bits and pieces,if at all.......utopia is not just around the corner....it's lost in transit and the tracking number is illegible......
 
#69
Jim Campbell said:
some states still use undercover cops to sell you pot then haul you off to jail......to me it seems like even the rabid anti drug folks are beginning to understand that they would be better served if the cops focused on getting street crime under control.......
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But we are talking about California. :)


Also, I think if you buy drugs from someone you don't know you REALLY need help and I HOPE you get into rehab before something bad happens to you. (Laced drugs or just bad quality of drugs).
 
#75
username n/a said:
What's the difference between legalization and decriminalization?
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Icon summed it up pretty well.

Basically if you make weed legal, youre opening it up to be regulated by the federal (or state) governments. This would allow it to be processed, cut down, have additives introduced, marketed, or anything else the govrnt would like to do with it before it reaches the consumers. Basically it would change the whole way we go about buying it, rather then picking up from a dealer or a weed clinic you'd be able to go buy a pack of joints in the grovery store, and be taxed to high hell.

Decriminalizing doesnt allow things to get so far, basically it makes possesion a non-offense, meaning no/smaller fines/NA classes. People caught selling pot may recieve a fine, but no jailtime, and things like that, depending on the extent and guidelines of the decriminalization bill.
 
#78
kserg said:
Every addict i ever known?


"I don't have a problem, i can stop when i want to"


Bull ****** ****
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im not sure anecdotal evidence will fly with some of these guys......

in the near future,i think that the current economic crisis may hasten a rethink of many of our drug laws.......it really boils down to how much money is available for how many prison spaces......as ive said before,if the bulk of them are used for drug offenders dont be surprised if theres no room at the inn for the guy that stole your car......

it will be interesting to see how life w/o parole shakes out when the prison system becomes a giant geriatric enterprise

many states,tx for example went through a period when early release for serious offenders became necessary due to overcrowded prisons,and a lot of innocent people got hurt in the aftermath......

lockemupnthrowawaythekey....is a great speech and lots of hard line law n order types have been elected using it but the problems with crime have not improved......

a more sensible approach,in my opinion would be to reserve jails first for the violent offenders,stick up artists,muggers, the thieves/property crime guys,fraud/swindlers etc and pass on the dopers for a while,at least until the worst street crime is under control...if the doper wants to steal to get drugs,at least then there might be a cop available when it happens and a place to put them.the way it is now,so many cops are busy with drug interdiction,and jails are so full of dopers that cops simply cannot catch enough real felons to deter the rest....

ive been listening to the get tough on drugs crowd for 40 years,and while many of them have made comfortable livings by filling the jails with non violent drug offenders,our streets have decended into chaos
 
#79
Everyone thinks legalization of pot is pie in the sky, but we are going to have to make some tough choices now that tax revenues have dried up. I wouldn't be surprised to see movement in that direction soon. CA is in the most desperate shape, so desperate measures are not far off. :help:
 
#80
Jim Campbell said:
im not sure anecdotal evidence will fly with some of these guys......
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Let's start with I am pretty sure that i don't care. These stories of "I knew a guy who did coke once a year and was just fine" are just as great as "My grandma smoked 2 packs a day from age 16 and she is still alive now at 86". Pure bull. It's an exception.



Jim Campbell said:
in the near future,i think that the current economic crisis may hasten a rethink of many of our drug laws.......it really boils down to how much money is available for how many prison spaces......as ive said before,if the bulk of them are used for drug offenders dont be surprised if theres no room at the inn for the guy that stole your car......

it will be interesting to see how life w/o parole shakes out when the prison system becomes a giant geriatric enterprise

many states,tx for example went through a period when early release for serious offenders became necessary due to overcrowded prisons,and a lot of innocent people got hurt in the aftermath......

lockemupnthrowawaythekey....is a great speech and lots of hard line law n order types have been elected using it but the problems with crime have not improved......

a more sensible approach,in my opinion would be to reserve jails first for the violent offenders,stick up artists,muggers, the thieves/property crime guys,fraud/swindlers etc and pass on the dopers for a while,at least until the worst street crime is under control...if the doper wants to steal to get drugs,at least then there might be a cop available when it happens and a place to put them.the way it is now,so many cops are busy with drug interdiction,and jails are so full of dopers that cops simply cannot catch enough real felons to deter the rest....

ive been listening to the get tough on drugs crowd for 40 years,and while many of them have made comfortable livings by filling the jails with non violent drug offenders,our streets have decended into chaos
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im not sure anecdotal evidence will fly with some of these guys..... Why stop there, let's let the guy who stole my car go too, because we don't have a lot of money and we need to free up some space for that guy who might murder my friends.



With economy becoming worse we will have more people who will get into hard drugs, mostly people with no jobs, too much time on their hands and depressed. Now use your imagination and figure out where they will try to get the money for the addiction.

Honestly, I am all for not putting drug users in prison. I think they should be send to hospitals for help.
 
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