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Hey Kirk,
Gratz on the first P5...it's def. going to the right guy!
Ya think you can tip us off with any spoilers about the build/construction, since Jimmy mentioned to me that he's still working on pinning all the details down.

I noticed his KBP-4 has a couple difference options on nut width, depending on if you wanna go A,B, or C. I'm really interested to see what direction Jimmy goes with the KBP-5!

....lol, keep in mind I'm not trying to get ya in trouble with tha man!
 
No matter what it will look great. But i understand why you would want something great to look at. But the reality is, it will be the sound that will give you the reasons why you bought the bass in the first place.
I don't think the olympic white is over stated in alot of Jimmys basses. In fact i have not seen alot of them in other style basses also. I think it would look great in that color. Don't let the popularity of the color sway you. I like mine and the Candy Apple Orange Juice color. What about Shoreline green?
or Gold? What is the neck. Maple, Rosewood?

The fingerboard is the Dalbergia Negra :hyper: .I love the Candy Apple Orange juice color but Jimmy said his paint guy is having a hard time getting it to cooperate. He said that the undercoat bleeds through and it dosen't come out right anymore ( I was devestated when he told me that , because that's what I really wanted in the end.). I will probably go with something like a Firemist Gold, which is quite a bit darker than Ken's bass (which is more of a Shoreline Gold) and hope that Jimmy's paint guy can pretty much nail it.
BTW there is a link at CurtisNovak.com that has vintage Fender color chips, and that's what I've been using to compare colors. Kirk......U can't go wrong when you go for gold baby!!!!:D

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The fingerboard is the Dalbergia Negra :hyper: .I love the Candy Apple Orange juice color but Jimmy said his paint guy is having a hard time getting it to cooperate. He said that the undercoat bleeds through and it dosen't come out right anymore ( I was devestated when he told me that , because that's what I really wanted in the end.). I will probably go with something like a Firemist Gold, which is quite a bit darker than Ken's bass (which is more of a Shoreline Gold) and hope that Jimmy's paint guy can pretty much nail it.
BTW there is a link at CurtisNovak.com that has vintage Fender color chips, and that's what I've been using to compare colors. Kirk......U can't go wrong when you go for gold baby!!!!:D

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Thanks for the link! That is a big help for sure.
 
OK...it's official count me in! I called the shop today and spoke to Marco about the dwindling supply of Dalbergia Negra and the limited possibility that anyone else on the planet has any left....Jimmy called me back this evening and told me that he has just a few left and is not aware of anyone else who has any. Needless to say I spec'd out my LG-5 to make certain that I would not be left out!! Here is where I am so far:

LG-5 Classic
59' Burst in Nitro Lacquer on O[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]ld growth old cut European Alder[/SIZE][/FONT]
Tortoise Shell Guard
Nitro Lacquered Neck
Dalbergia Negra (REAL Old Growth Rosewood) fingerboard
Small Vintage Frets
Alleva Custom Wound Pickups
Alleva Preamp
Passive Tone Control


Still not 100% sure about the color yet...My daughter wanted me to get Vintage White and I was leaning that way until I spoke with Jimmy tonight. He made a very powerful case for the burst...Imagine THE GUY who shot Lacquer for FENDER in the 50's and 60's spraying YOUR bass!! The same guy who might have shot Jamerson's bass or so MANY others that have graced the ages since!! That is just TOO much to pass up I think!! This guy is in his 70's (I think Jimmy said he is 77) and has been painting in Lacquer for over 50 YEARS!!! Can you even imagine how great a Finish in REAL Lacquer done by someone who has been doing it for that long???? It boggles my mind! I am seriously thinking that the Burst would be MOJO city!!! Jimmy said it would be like going back to the Fender factory in the late 50's and finding a PERFECT Lacquer Spray and bringing it back to today!!! Somebody give me a reason why I shouldn't listen to THAT!! WOW! I don't know how the he77 I will make it 5 months...but here is to the wait...and the reward!!

This is the Body my daughter likes the color of:

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What say we start an Alleva Coppola Owner's Group?? I think Kirk should get the first spot, he STARTED this for me! LOL! Thanks Kirk!!! (I mean that in a good way!!)

Peace,

T
 
OK...it's official count me in! I called the shop today and spoke to Marco about the dwindling supply of Dalbergia Negra and the limited possibility that anyone else on the planet has any left....Jimmy called me back this evening and told me that he has just a few left and is not aware of anyone else who has any.

Wait, are you saying that no one else out there has Brazilian Rosewood for fingerboards? Warmoth still offers it as an option. (at not too much of an upgrade; less than $100)

Luthiers Mercantile has apparently stopped selling them as fingerboards, however, so you might be right.
 
These particular boards are old growth, old cut and are rumored to be over 60 years old. So basically, it's like getting the same board Jamerson or Pastorius had on their old 1960s fenders.

I've heard most brazilian rosewood out there is the low quality stuff that didn't get used prior too the ban on harvesting it. The price is very high because it illegal to cut it, yet the quality is lacking. From what I've heard, those AC boards are the real deal.

Granted, all I know about it is from some googling!
 
I have heard that the Brazilian Rosewood thats being harvested today is stump wood. The Brazilian Government allows this practice.

I'm pretty sure a mature tree will have a trunk that extends into the ground a fair bit. But what the hell do I know, I'm a city boy. Always have been, always will be!:)
 
Wait, are you saying that no one else out there has Brazilian Rosewood for fingerboards? Warmoth still offers it as an option. (at not too much of an upgrade; less than $100)

Luthiers Mercantile has apparently stopped selling them as fingerboards, however, so you might be right.

Not at all...we are not talking about just any Brazilian Rosewood here! This is OLD Growth OLD cut Dalbergia Negra (ie REAL BRAZILLIAN ROSEWOOD) NOT what is being cut now and probably nothing that has been cut in years...Think of it in terms of a rare wine or port....in that sense, this is a vintage that has been illegal to harvest for years but somebody has some stashed! Here is a little primer from the Koa Snares (GREAT DRUMS BTW!!) Website:


"Rosewood (Dalbergia …who, what…)

Rosewood is one hell of a broad description. Over the years, I have heard all kinds of substances being referred to as Rosewood. Legally you can just about call anything Rosewood including your uncle. I have seen Bubinga being sold as African Rosewood, which is nonsense. Even though this is an exceedingly fine species, it is not even related. True Rosewood is always called a Dalbergia…something or other. For instance:

Honduras Rosewood.........Dalbergia Stevensonii
Brazilian Rosewood.............Dalbergia Negra
Cocobolo…...........................Dalbergia Retusa
East Indian Rosewood....... Dalbergia Latifolia

To further confuse you African Blackwood is really...Dalbergia Melanoxylon and there are many more.
All this sounds a little like a petty political correctness issue. However, I assure you that it is not.
The reason why the botanists have assigned these names to this family of wood is that they are all related. Even though they grow in different parts of the World, they are brothers, sisters, cousins, aunties and uncles to one another. They share certain and very specific properties that only exist within in the Dalbergia family of timber species. Despite their diverse appearance, the expert can clearly recognize the grain patterns and pore structures that constitute genuine Rosewood. From experience or with the aid of a simple magnifying glass, it is possible for us to distinguish true Rosewood from your uncle. However, the most important property that we are interested in is the sonic response that is unique to Dalbergias. That is because nothing sounds like Rosewood. True Rosewood has been for hundreds of years the ultimate choice for instrument builders/ luthiers.
Its uncanny ability to represent all the highs, midrange and bass frequencies in balance is well documented. Because of its inherent stiffness, it facilitates tons of projection. Furthermore, it is sensitive to the lightest touch. For the reason, the use of Brazilian Rosewood for instance elevates the worth of a good Guitar by the thousands. Through my work with string instruments, I have become well aware of its aptitudes. Nevertheless, I had some initial reservations about the use of such a pricey material in the construction of a snare drum as I feared that it would provide diminishing marginal returns, “this being only a " Drum”. A snare uses at least 3 times the amount of material that is required for a Guitar’s Back and Sides. That is frequently expensive, often protected/restricted, and difficult Material to obtain. To add to the fun, this wood is tricky and unpredictable to work with. To fabricate this instrument with genuine Rosewood to the same scantlings requires a good 15 hrs more than any other Lunar shell. The challenge is that the Wood is too stiff to bend at the preferred thickness that is required for the 4 piece lay up. If sized thinner, I end up with more layers. That would translate into highly undesirable higher glue to wood ratio with less solid meat to shape the instrument for response. Eventually, we worked out the details of laying this very stiff and brittle timber in the 4 piece lay up with out changing the physics of the Lunar shell construction. This required a lot of forethought, serious retooling, and the extra time, however the playability of this Snare drum is, in my opinion unsurpassed. This is a sonic powerhouse. The Snare is exceptionally crisp, sensitive, and articulate.

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The Balance between highs, lows and midrange is amazing. In many ways, it shares the same acoustic properties that high-end Rosewood guitars are prized for. Only one of these snares exists presently, located in Hawaii and owned by the person that commissioned me to build it. The expense of the material and the added time were reflected in the price. Unfortunately, I am only able to provide a quote for the Rosewood Lunar shells on an individual bases. In part, because there are so many Rosewoods and the cost and availability varies amongst them. Despite the challenges, I look forward to building many more of them and will continue to take chances, seek, and learn. All of these woods produce distinctively different Snare Drums. Nonetheless, all of them share the Lunar concept of design, construction, and craftsmanship. What they also have in common is that they all speak clearly in their own voices. It would be unjust to deem one snare better or worse than another. Only the individual player can make those choices based on his or her preferences."

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The main point here is that there are a LOT of "Rosewoods" out there but there really is ONLY 1 Dalbergia Negra and you can't legally cut that anymore!!

Hope that helps!

Peace,

T
 
You b@$^@%#s! How dare you mock me with your talk of Alleva Coppolo basses!! A guy I know got a 5 and let me play it, and if that wasn't the best bass I ever played (aside from the extraneous 5th string), I don't know what is. Super light, with the smoothest neck I ever felt. I have always been against paying a fortune for basses, but I'd get one in a second if money was no object.
 
The fingerboard is the Dalbergia Negra :hyper: .I love the Candy Apple Orange juice color but Jimmy said his paint guy is having a hard time getting it to cooperate. He said that the undercoat bleeds through and it dosen't come out right anymore ( I was devestated when he told me that , because that's what I really wanted in the end.). I will probably go with something like a Firemist Gold, which is quite a bit darker than Ken's bass (which is more of a Shoreline Gold) and hope that Jimmy's paint guy can pretty much nail it.
BTW there is a link at CurtisNovak.com that has vintage Fender color chips, and that's what I've been using to compare colors. Kirk......U can't go wrong when you go for gold baby!!!!:D

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Wow that is a nice Rosewood. Very Expensive too. Man Im glad I love Maple Necks.
 
i think that you will love the Burst.. The 3 tone one that is... it fakes me out when i see one. but the picture is a 2 tone 59 buest i think... not the 60s with the yellow in the middle..

Tommixx.. Im really sorry about putting the dent in your checkbook though... I think i am going for a 3 tone 60s burst on my P5.. its real late and i got in form a gig.. so i will check back here tomorrow.

OK...it's official count me in! I called the shop today and spoke to Marco about the dwindling supply of Dalbergia Negra and the limited possibility that anyone else on the planet has any left....Jimmy called me back this evening and told me that he has just a few left and is not aware of anyone else who has any. Needless to say I spec'd out my LG-5 to make certain that I would not be left out!! Here is where I am so far:

LG-5 Classic
59' Burst in Nitro Lacquer on O[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]ld growth old cut European Alder[/SIZE][/FONT]
Tortoise Shell Guard
Nitro Lacquered Neck
Dalbergia Negra (REAL Old Growth Rosewood) fingerboard
Small Vintage Frets
Alleva Custom Wound Pickups
Alleva Preamp
Passive Tone Control


Still not 100% sure about the color yet...My daughter wanted me to get Vintage White and I was leaning that way until I spoke with Jimmy tonight. He made a very powerful case for the burst...Imagine THE GUY who shot Lacquer for FENDER in the 50's and 60's spraying YOUR bass!! The same guy who might have shot Jamerson's bass or so MANY others that have graced the ages since!! That is just TOO much to pass up I think!! This guy is in his 70's (I think Jimmy said he is 77) and has been painting in Lacquer for over 50 YEARS!!! Can you even imagine how great a Finish in REAL Lacquer done by someone who has been doing it for that long???? It boggles my mind! I am seriously thinking that the Burst would be MOJO city!!! Jimmy said it would be like going back to the Fender factory in the late 50's and finding a PERFECT Lacquer Spray and bringing it back to today!!! Somebody give me a reason why I shouldn't listen to THAT!! WOW! I don't know how the he77 I will make it 5 months...but here is to the wait...and the reward!!

This is the Body my daughter likes the color of:

5ec065f9.gif



What say we start an Alleva Coppola Owner's Group?? I think Kirk should get the first spot, he STARTED this for me! LOL! Thanks Kirk!!! (I mean that in a good way!!)

Peace,

T
 
there are about 10 or more different species of rosewood... brazilain rosewood that is..
The real Brazilian Rosewwod that is coveted for instruments is the Dalbergia Negra... I think Fodera charges 1200-1300 for a dalbergia Negra fingerboard... its rare..
I saw jimmys and that is what we are doing for my next bass... I want a piece of that wood...

Wait, are you saying that no one else out there has Brazilian Rosewood for fingerboards? Warmoth still offers it as an option. (at not too much of an upgrade; less than $100)

Luthiers Mercantile has apparently stopped selling them as fingerboards, however, so you might be right.
 
there are about 10 or more different species of rosewood... brazilain rosewood that is..
The real Brazilian Rosewwod that is coveted for instruments is the Dalbergia Negra... I think Fodera charges 1200-1300 for a dalbergia Negra fingerboard... its rare..
I saw jimmys and that is what we are doing for my next bass... I want a piece of that wood...

That's pretty steep for a fingerboard! I think they might put a bit of an upcharge on that. A fingerboard doesn't THAT much.

However if you're talking about Fodera, an already exclusive manufacturer, it seems that 1200 is a fair price to make your instrument the one of the MOST exclusive Foderas in town. When you're talking 7000 for a bass, it starts becoming about form rather than function. You can be distinct amongst even Fodera owners! :)

The Brazilian stumpwood I mentioned earler is the real deal dalbergia negra. Much of it is the old growth stuff you're talking about. The old stumps left over from the overharvesting could have been in the ground for 60 years, possibly putting it in the James Jamerson era of Fenders. The wood made from these old stumps would be newly cut, but far from green.

Stumpwood, because it had to bear the weight of the entire tree, tends to be highly figured and fragile, often with wormholes. It's not too common to find pieces that are straight grained.

I remember Martin guitars came out with a limited run of brazilian rosewood guitars. 500 of them or so. Taylor, same thing. For a wood that is endangered, there seems to be an awful lot of it around.

Glenn
 
OK...it's official count me in! I called the shop today and spoke to Marco about the dwindling supply of Dalbergia Negra and the limited possibility that anyone else on the planet has any left....Jimmy called me back this evening and told me that he has just a few left and is not aware of anyone else who has any. Needless to say I spec'd out my LG-5 to make certain that I would not be left out!! Here is where I am so far:

LG-5 Classic
59' Burst in Nitro Lacquer on O[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]ld growth old cut European Alder[/SIZE][/FONT]
Tortoise Shell Guard
Nitro Lacquered Neck
Dalbergia Negra (REAL Old Growth Rosewood) fingerboard
Small Vintage Frets
Alleva Custom Wound Pickups
Alleva Preamp
Passive Tone Control


Still not 100% sure about the color yet...My daughter wanted me to get Vintage White and I was leaning that way until I spoke with Jimmy tonight. He made a very powerful case for the burst...Imagine THE GUY who shot Lacquer for FENDER in the 50's and 60's spraying YOUR bass!! The same guy who might have shot Jamerson's bass or so MANY others that have graced the ages since!! That is just TOO much to pass up I think!! This guy is in his 70's (I think Jimmy said he is 77) and has been painting in Lacquer for over 50 YEARS!!! Can you even imagine how great a Finish in REAL Lacquer done by someone who has been doing it for that long???? It boggles my mind! I am seriously thinking that the Burst would be MOJO city!!! Jimmy said it would be like going back to the Fender factory in the late 50's and finding a PERFECT Lacquer Spray and bringing it back to today!!! Somebody give me a reason why I shouldn't listen to THAT!! WOW! I don't know how the he77 I will make it 5 months...but here is to the wait...and the reward!!

This is the Body my daughter likes the color of:

5ec065f9.gif



What say we start an Alleva Coppola Owner's Group?? I think Kirk should get the first spot, he STARTED this for me! LOL! Thanks Kirk!!! (I mean that in a good way!!)

Peace,

T

Nice specs. Like me, it sounds like you need to take some time out to seriously think of what direction you're going to go in, colorwise. You got at least 3 or four months so take your time. I know about how much you're spending, so I know how important it is to get the color right. I had no idea that the paint guy used to actually work for Fender. Very cool! That makes purchasing an A-C- that much more special. Now I'm totally convinced that this is about as close to a 5 string vintage Fender sound and look as money can buy. The real deal! Can't wait for mine to finish in December.......
 
Nice specs. Like me, it sounds like you need to take some time out to seriously think of what direction you're going to go in, colorwise. You got at least 3 or four months so take your time. I know about how much you're spending, so I know how important it is to get the color right. I had no idea that the paint guy used to actually work for Fender. Very cool! That makes purchasing an A-C- that much more special. Now I'm totally convinced that this is about as close to a 5 string vintage Fender sound and look as money can buy. The real deal! Can't wait for mine to finish in December.......

Thats It Ace? Im getting mine in December!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What kind of s@*T is that? Tell us about it! Whats the color? etc etc etc........ Rude to leave us hanging like that.;)
 
for some reason i dont remember this stuff being stumpwood...



That's pretty steep for a fingerboard! I think they might put a bit of an upcharge on that. A fingerboard doesn't THAT much.

However if you're talking about Fodera, an already exclusive manufacturer, it seems that 1200 is a fair price to make your instrument the one of the MOST exclusive Foderas in town. When you're talking 7000 for a bass, it starts becoming about form rather than function. You can be distinct amongst even Fodera owners! :)

The Brazilian stumpwood I mentioned earler is the real deal dalbergia negra. Much of it is the old growth stuff you're talking about. The old stumps left over from the overharvesting could have been in the ground for 60 years, possibly putting it in the James Jamerson era of Fenders. The wood made from these old stumps would be newly cut, but far from green.

Stumpwood, because it had to bear the weight of the entire tree, tends to be highly figured and fragile, often with wormholes. It's not too common to find pieces that are straight grained.

I remember Martin guitars came out with a limited run of brazilian rosewood guitars. 500 of them or so. Taylor, same thing. For a wood that is endangered, there seems to be an awful lot of it around.

Glenn
 
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