Absolutely. I’m sure that factors in.
As does the increase of Moollon’s/YJ’s popularity.
Love my P and JV’s.
As does the increase of Moollon’s/YJ’s popularity.
Love my P and JV’s.
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Laid out so nicely on the shop's dead crocodile, they're difficult to choose between.
yes I was quoted at least 30 months out as well, no frills price starts at around $2300
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Ultradust
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"A long time, if you really need a Moollon"
I actually wrote up the following last week, but sat on it for few days... I had a deep talk with YJ, and he conveyed his main concerns, much of which has been passed on more than once...and I believe I might have mentioned it previously here a few times.
YJ wanting to stick to a reasonable timeframe at time of order is no small concern, even though it's 100% reasonable and expected for a customer to ask about it and mark one's calendar accordingly. But since Moollon is one guy (not a normal shop or mini-factory with at least 2 people doing anything having to do with construction and assembly), once the disastrous hitch in progress happened last year, things became more opaque than ever, the earliest of orders of course being priority and is the list he's working with (currently January/February 2020, with some stragglers from before then).
When I mentioned to him that I'd best be all the more conservative with future estimates (something he's more than aware of) and if he's considered putting a pause on new orders until some semblance of catching up to the snowball can be handled, he was very much opposed to the idea of a pause, and would rather be simply frank with things.
And in the spirit of transparency, based on my conversation with YJ, the official position on the estimate for future orders is no longer 30+ months, but rather "a long time, if you really need a Moollon", and proceeding accordingly for those who have a long-term interest in purchasing a new Moollon. Folks will no doubt ask for a general time frame beyond that (he briefly hinted in passing at easily in excess of 3 years from here on out), but there will likely be none. It's just a matter of YJ staying healthy and chugging away as always get to each one done and out the door in sequence, the current streamlining of neck trim/aging hopefully helping speed things up.
From that point of view, it's very much in line with his original philosophy: Moollon is above all an affordable route to reproductions of the "old quirky stuff" for those that have the time to invest in an order for a classic workhorse in due time and/or want to keep vintage gear in the studio, and is not for affluent hoarders or those who want a Moollon like yesterday. In reference to the former...yes, we indeed have had customers asking if they could pay more to get YJ to "cut in line", and a definite "no" from the Boss himself usually results in them not writing back.
And although the overwhelming majority of Moollon customers in line have been beyond gracious with their time and patience and we're so grateful to have them wait it out with great long suffering the whole while, there is no small number of understandably upset individuals as well with "you told me..." complaints (coincidentally two were typed out in caps, just this past spring), which means all the more that we'd best move away from general optimism pertaining to a time frame on anything in the future and simply be the most pragmatic that we can... hopefully shooing tire kickers away from extraneously lengthy email conversations that go nowhere, in the process. Of course, YJ hopes that regular and consistent posting on FB will be at least help assure folks that he's moving forward as always, and I reckon that bit is up to me to keep them coming.
Lastly and in sum, as if it hasn't been a long time for all customers in line and patiently waiting up to now (it truly has), suffice to say when it comes to new orders from here on out, we've now officially entered the age of "a long time, if you really need a Moollon".
I actually wrote up the following last week, but sat on it for few days... I had a deep talk with YJ, and he conveyed his main concerns, much of which has been passed on more than once...and I believe I might have mentioned it previously here a few times.
YJ wanting to stick to a reasonable timeframe at time of order is no small concern, even though it's 100% reasonable and expected for a customer to ask about it and mark one's calendar accordingly. But since Moollon is one guy (not a normal shop or mini-factory with at least 2 people doing anything having to do with construction and assembly), once the disastrous hitch in progress happened last year, things became more opaque than ever, the earliest of orders of course being priority and is the list he's working with (currently January/February 2020, with some stragglers from before then).
When I mentioned to him that I'd best be all the more conservative with future estimates (something he's more than aware of) and if he's considered putting a pause on new orders until some semblance of catching up to the snowball can be handled, he was very much opposed to the idea of a pause, and would rather be simply frank with things.
And in the spirit of transparency, based on my conversation with YJ, the official position on the estimate for future orders is no longer 30+ months, but rather "a long time, if you really need a Moollon", and proceeding accordingly for those who have a long-term interest in purchasing a new Moollon. Folks will no doubt ask for a general time frame beyond that (he briefly hinted in passing at easily in excess of 3 years from here on out), but there will likely be none. It's just a matter of YJ staying healthy and chugging away as always get to each one done and out the door in sequence, the current streamlining of neck trim/aging hopefully helping speed things up.
From that point of view, it's very much in line with his original philosophy: Moollon is above all an affordable route to reproductions of the "old quirky stuff" for those that have the time to invest in an order for a classic workhorse in due time and/or want to keep vintage gear in the studio, and is not for affluent hoarders or those who want a Moollon like yesterday. In reference to the former...yes, we indeed have had customers asking if they could pay more to get YJ to "cut in line", and a definite "no" from the Boss himself usually results in them not writing back.
And although the overwhelming majority of Moollon customers in line have been beyond gracious with their time and patience and we're so grateful to have them wait it out with great long suffering the whole while, there is no small number of understandably upset individuals as well with "you told me..." complaints (coincidentally two were typed out in caps, just this past spring), which means all the more that we'd best move away from general optimism pertaining to a time frame on anything in the future and simply be the most pragmatic that we can... hopefully shooing tire kickers away from extraneously lengthy email conversations that go nowhere, in the process. Of course, YJ hopes that regular and consistent posting on FB will be at least help assure folks that he's moving forward as always, and I reckon that bit is up to me to keep them coming.
Lastly and in sum, as if it hasn't been a long time for all customers in line and patiently waiting up to now (it truly has), suffice to say when it comes to new orders from here on out, we've now officially entered the age of "a long time, if you really need a Moollon".
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Zero thought of the option, it seems...It's something I've asked him probably once every 3 - 4 weeks for the past 5 years in some way or another (be it a passing hint in conversation or a desperate plead when the email account gets logged jammed), but he feels that new customers should get the same stuff that early production customers received: a build 100% done by him alone.
Can't say I tried
For those of you who may be coming across this thread for the first time, wondering if you will be able to withstand an immeasurable waitlist, I'd like to offer an alternate option. I will preface by saying that I am a Moollon waitlister myself (JV), so there is no bias involved. But if you want a true vintage spec '59-64 P bass, built with the same aesthetic values in mind, please look into the work of Jon Maghini in Connecticut. Having compared my Maghini P to my friend's Moollon P, it is readily apparent that either could fill the shoes of the other. Similar price range and it will take him less than a year to make.
I mean absolutely no offense or to try and persuade anyone from NOT ordering a Moollon. By all means, YJ and Andi are truly bringing it. But if you really need something sooner, please check Jon out. Here is a link to my Maghini NBD. NBD - Maghini Classic P
I mean absolutely no offense or to try and persuade anyone from NOT ordering a Moollon. By all means, YJ and Andi are truly bringing it. But if you really need something sooner, please check Jon out. Here is a link to my Maghini NBD. NBD - Maghini Classic P
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Hey guys, I've got a wild hair and I am interested in trading this J classic ONLY for a P classic. It's a fantastic bass and I don't think I'd let it go for anything else, but my main band really requires a great P more than anything.
per Andi it has the '66 neck with binding which is a rarity. PM me for more info/details if you have a P classic you would be interested in trading.
per Andi it has the '66 neck with binding which is a rarity. PM me for more info/details if you have a P classic you would be interested in trading.
I can stick out my wait (I ordered my third Moollon in May 2020) but if you realize maybe you cannot justify the wait, this is unquestionably the bass I would be ordering. I remain thoroughly impressed, and even a little envious of it.
Got my P classic today. It’s awesome. I’ll post updates photos etc tomorrow but just know if you want a solid top of the line P bass it’s worth the wait.
I'll keep it in mind while I wait some 18+ months for mine to arrive.
In the meantime, do post photos and findings please.
I wish I hadn’t had to sell mine back in 2019. It was used but it was awesome. But for sure when I get the funds available I’ll be making an order of a new one. I can’t wait.
P classic on the verb. A bit overpriced w/shipping and it's condition from the bubble wrap imo. I'm at 15 months now and I wake up daily hoping for that email. After Andi said here they're getting through Jan/Feb '20 builds I probably shouldn't keep checking as mine was late April early May.
Wow, that bubble wrap residue is pervasive. I’m a little tempted, but am still holding out for a PV trade opportunity… but i may be waiting a long time for that.
If you must!
Photos from unpacking, a stand photo, next to my J classic and a photo of my Ps
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im blown away at the quality of this bass im super happy that i put in an order for this color as it was the last one and waited. i got the truss rodd adjuster hole added and acutally had to use my had to make sure it was there because it blended in so well. the setup was perfect out of the box i just had to tune it up a little. there is an ever slight buzz on the A string on the 5th fret but i found out its the after length of the string symp vibrating so thats not an issue. feels incredible, actaully really like the dunlop flats that are on it.
the body vibrates with every note played which is amazing. very punchy sounding P bass compared to my other 3. these basses are honestly 100% worth the money if you know what to look for. I said to a friend they could easily add a grand to the price and still be worth it. I can't wait to get more hours on this thing and see how it continues to sound. hoping i can use it for some gigs coming up...
i'll post videos maybe in the near future, thinking of comparing all 4 of my p basses....
the body vibrates with every note played which is amazing. very punchy sounding P bass compared to my other 3. these basses are honestly 100% worth the money if you know what to look for. I said to a friend they could easily add a grand to the price and still be worth it. I can't wait to get more hours on this thing and see how it continues to sound. hoping i can use it for some gigs coming up...
i'll post videos maybe in the near future, thinking of comparing all 4 of my p basses....
Now a J on the verb, I wish I liked a J tone, I'd be all over this one.
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With serious local applied music students really hungry to get a Moollon prior to the fall semester and posting want ads accordingly specifically for P-IVs, it was bit of a shame about that used Dakota Red P-IV w/maple neck getting sniped and shipped abroad so fast, although I shouldn't be surprised...everyone's making heaps money off of the process and we all know the demand.
Facts re: the Reverb Ad, since we see discrepancies all the time and folks are always emailing us for details. As in the past, we aim to be as transparent as possible when used Moollons pop up.
1. We normally wouldn't consider the consigning broker working in proxy a "musical vendor", and the P-IV was actually sold by a private party out near Ilsan, not a musical vendor in Seoul. Like nearly all private party sellers in Korea, said individual originally insisted on selling locally and not shipping it. And bubble finish incidents do happen...nitro reacts with plastics/foam/nylon like nothing else
2. The part about YJ giving it a fairly recent setup is correct.
3. Is selling on Reverb at approx. twice at what of what it was locally put up for sale.
Facts re: the Reverb Ad, since we see discrepancies all the time and folks are always emailing us for details. As in the past, we aim to be as transparent as possible when used Moollons pop up.
1. We normally wouldn't consider the consigning broker working in proxy a "musical vendor", and the P-IV was actually sold by a private party out near Ilsan, not a musical vendor in Seoul. Like nearly all private party sellers in Korea, said individual originally insisted on selling locally and not shipping it. And bubble finish incidents do happen...nitro reacts with plastics/foam/nylon like nothing else
2. The part about YJ giving it a fairly recent setup is correct.
3. Is selling on Reverb at approx. twice at what of what it was locally put up for sale.
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