Or as Tom Petty put it " Modern country is bad rock with a fiddle".
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The Celtic 3/4 more likely is 6/8 or even 9/8. It's those triplet eighth notes.
The Irish, or even before them the pagan Celts, invented a lot of dances, for the Celts likely as part of religious rituals. Today that tradition is carried on by contra dancing, which is a mishmash of line, square, and circle dancing and which usually uses a contra band, which is much closer to Celtic than it is bluegrass or CW.
Some of the circle dances descend from European court dances of the 16th and 17th centuries.
Awesome.
This is a great post. Also it was desirable/novel to have court musicians from different countries. Composers like Bach and Vivaldi, Handel and others brought folk traditions to the classical world and transported dances from place-to-place.
We learned some reels and other traditional dances in grade school.
Interesting. Importing musicians from different countries had never occurred to me. But it certainly is plausible.
For incorporating folk music into classical music in the twentieth century, the go-to guys are Gustave Holst, Ralph Vaughn Williams, and Percy Aldridge Granger. For setting already-published poems to music, it's Ivor Gurney.
All those Bach Gigues are jigs he probably heard at the pub. The appeal of Vivaldi, in my opinion, is that he drew from the popular music of the time. I heard a historian say it’s one of the reasons Bach admires Vivaldi. Same for Chopin, Lizt, Dvorak. Their works quote the popular dance music of the time.
Mozart was Austrian and he was influenced by neighboring Hungary’s folk music, which was in turn influenced by Turkish music
Ottoman Hungary was a thing until about 1699, I think. American dance music was already coming into its own by that time. Eastern European traditions played well with the Western European dance music.
Not much later on, associated Eastern European traditions included the Polka had taken hold, and Irish musicians readily accepted the music as similar to the reels and hornpipes they were used to. Another interesting instrument associated with Celtic music was the concertina, which has its very own English variety.
Mohsen Amini:
I would love to see someone at a pub dance to this.
Glenn Gould - J.S. BACH, Partita no.6 in E minor, Gigue (7/7) - YouTube
The parts of that partita are the following:
1. Toccata
2. Allemande
3. Courante
4. Air
5. Sarabande
6. Tempo di Gavotte
7. Gigue
Definitions:
1. A piece for keyboard
2. A German dance
3. An Italian dance
4. A vocal-like piece, evoking a folk song
5. A Spanish dance
6. A French dance
7. A 3/4 time dance/jig.
They are his interpretations of those folk traditions.
You have that backwards, actually. Country rock predated the Allman Bros. (first band considered "southern rock") by a number of years.
Rock musicians yes, country musicians actually no. There's a long tradition of songwriters providing material to country performers.
There's still plenty of waltzes in Celtic music, but you are correct about 6/8 which is used for jigs.
I don’t doubt that - I am not big on Celtic music. Know very little if it. My memory of it is playing Irish tunes in Saturday after noon jams at the tavern. Lots of “clonk-clink-clink” (the 3/4 thing in my limited musical knowledge) on the guitar and very good singers with solid voices.
The thing about Celtic is that you cannot import bass lines from C&W or even some blues. Start going 1-5 on the beat and you will be asked to leave. There is a reason many Celtic bands have no bass at all in their line-up.
Celtic/traditional folk music is about as varied as any other music form these days and certainly hasn't lost it's popularity. (at least in some places, particularly the UK and Europe) The traditional Breton cultures of Britany, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall and the 'border' areas of England to some extent, still play the traditional songs, though often in a less than traditional fashion.
It might not be all fiddles, pipes and acoustic only instruments in every case, but it sure is popular. (and it very often has upright, or bass guitar!
It might not be all fiddles, pipes and acoustic only instruments in every case, but it sure is popular. (and it very often has upright, or bass guitar!
my heartfelt condolences!
Wise
Aw man... Pipers were all the rage in 18th century Appalachia. Unfortunately, the brie and chardonnay crowd didn't buy enough supporting memberships to keep proper Celtic music on the Parks and Recreation Summer Band Pavilion lineup long enough to properly influence the roots of American Country music.
