Crossdressing and bandmates.

[fhm555]

Just wanted to add. It is after all show biz (at least for some of us), so if cross dressing is a way to draw attention just be sure it's what you really want. Notoriety steals your privacy so don't work hard to become known, then carp when someone follows you around at the airport or interrupts your meal to gush while asking to carry your baby.

 

[lfmn16]

Your religious freedom ends where someone else's begins. Bake the damn cake, take the money, and go pray away the gay

It astounds me that some people are so thick that they don't get the simple fact that they can't use their beliefs to deny someone else their rights. It's the same argument that the ass-backwards inbred southern racists used to refuse to serve African Americans before the civil rights movement. Some stupidity just won't die.

 

[Robroy]

Aaaaaand that's exactly why I think the Christian couple being fined for refusing to bake a cake is stupid. However, I think it's absolutely fine for everyone to boycott them, protest outside of their building, and do whatever they can (within the law) to put them out of business. But it isn't the government's responsibility to dictate what businesses can and can't do in terms of choosing who to serve to.

I actually don't think it is the govern...wait. I can't answer that without violating the forum rules.

 

[monkeyfinger]

Tolerance goes both ways. Yes, Bob will have to make a cake for the KKK couple, and to their specifications. He just doesn't have to like it.

BTW, I removed the other image from the quote because it contributes little value and is just inflammatory.

I don't bake cakes.
But it brings up an interesting thought.

 

[Robroy]

It astounds me that some people are so thick that they don't get the simple fact that they can't use their beliefs to deny someone else their rights.

I'm gonna need an example that some (like me, for example) would disagree with you on. I'm not seeing where I want to deny anyone the same rights that others have, other than obvious stuff like minors drinking, women using the men's room, stuff like that.

 

[I am Soma]

 

[Marial]

Judging by the posts, I am so very thankful for the ignore function. Go get 'em, Jimmy. Better you than me.

 

[Robroy]

Also, hate speech is not Constitutionally protected, nor have I ever heard of anyone who wanted a racism motif for their wedding, so your little KKK cartoon is lame and N/A.

Two things:
1. What is "hate speech", and why is it not covered by the first amendment. What makes that kind of speech special and lose protection.
2. The point of the KKK cartoon is not about racism. It is about a guy being asked to bake a cake for an event that he finds morally repugnant. And I'll guess you do too.

Morality is oddly subjective. It's annoying when the government tries to dictate morality.

 

[BunchyMutt]

If crossdressing, the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival's would be best left alone. Their history of victimizing T* people is well documented, which is ironic considering.

I did not know that - thanks for the insight

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Two things:
1. What is "hate speech", and why is it not covered by the first amendment. What makes that kind of speech special and lose protection.
2. The point of the KKK cartoon is not about racism. It is about a guy being asked to bake a cake for an event that he finds morally repugnant. And I'll guess you do too.

Morality is oddly subjective. It's annoying when the government tries to dictate morality.

In a democracy, the majority decides the issue while government protects the rights of the minority.

 

[Funk³]

I actually don't think it is the govern...wait. I can't answer that without violating the forum rules.

What?

 

[Robroy]

It means you are perfectly able to believe what you want but if you have a business, you aren't allowed to discriminate on the basis of color, religion, sexuality, etc.

OK, I get that. So, lets say I have a deli and a homosexual couple comes in and orders sandwiches and are very loyal customers. I make them sandwiches and actually enjoy talking to them. But then one day they ask me to cater their wedding and the event violates my religious beliefs, and I am taught to not participate in such events.

I'm not discriminating against them when I deny. I've proved it by serving them sandwiches for a long time. Rather, I'm refusing to take part in an event to avoid violating my religious convictions. The first amendment protects my right to NOT participate in something that violates my religious beliefs.

Does that not seem reasonable?

Or are you saying that a person with religious convictions must not be allowed to put food on the table by owning their own business. That sounds kinda in violation of the first amendment.

 

[Funk³]

Two things:
1. What is "hate speech", and why is it not covered by the first amendment. What makes that kind of speech special and lose protection.
2. The point of the KKK cartoon is not about racism. It is about a guy being asked to bake a cake for an event that he finds morally repugnant. And I'll guess you do too.

Morality is oddly subjective. It's annoying when the government tries to dictate morality.

I'm fairly sure hate speech examples are subjective, I'm not sure if there is a definitive definition.

 

[JimmyM]

Two things:
1. What is "hate speech", and why is it not covered by the first amendment. What makes that kind of speech special and lose protection.
2. The point of the KKK cartoon is not about racism. It is about a guy being asked to bake a cake for an event that he finds morally repugnant. And I'll guess you do too.

Morality is oddly subjective. It's annoying when the government tries to dictate morality.

Hey, if you want to be a racist, you go right ahead and be a racist. Nobody will put you in jail over it. But if you lose work over it, don't come crying to me.

 

[Robroy]

In a democracy, the majority decides the issue while government protects the rights of the minority.

So, what is "hate speech"? And can the majority decide to violate the constitution without a constitutional amendment?

 

[Robroy]

Hey, if you want to be a racist, you go right ahead and be a racist. Nobody will put you in jail over it. But if you lose work over it, don't come crying to me.

Straw man.

 

[Funk³]

OK, I get that. So, lets say I have a deli and a homosexual couple comes in and orders sandwiches and are very loyal customers. I make them sandwiches and actually enjoy talking to them. But then one day they ask me to cater their wedding and the event violates my religious beliefs, and I am taught to not participate in such events.

I'm not discriminating against them when I deny. I've proved it by serving them sandwiches for a long time. Rather, I'm refusing to take part in an event to avoid violating my religious convictions. The first amendment protects my right to NOT participate in something that violates my religious beliefs.

Does that not seem reasonable?

Or are you saying that a person with religious convictions must not be allowed to put food on the table by owning their own business. That sounds kinda in violation of the first amendment.

I think you have the right to do so. I think you'd be a horrible, deluded, moronic knuckledragger for doing so, but you have the right to

 

[Robroy]

What?

Can't answer without violating the forum rules.

 

[JimmyM]

OK, I get that. So, lets say I have a deli and a homosexual couple comes in and orders sandwiches and are very loyal customers. I make them sandwiches and actually enjoy talking to them. But then one day they ask me to cater their wedding and the event violates my religious beliefs, and I am taught to not participate in such events.

I'm not discriminating against them when I deny. I've proved it by serving them sandwiches for a long time. Rather, I'm refusing to take part in an event to avoid violating my religious convictions. The first amendment protects my right to NOT participate in something that violates my religious beliefs.

Does that not seem reasonable?

Or are you saying that a person with religious convictions must not be allowed to put food on the table by owning their own business. That sounds kinda in violation of the first amendment.

So if you sell someone a gun legally and they take it out and shoot 50 people a week later, then you're materially participating in a murder?

 

[Funk³]

Can't answer without violating the forum rules.

Then PM me, please, because I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about, but I'd love to know.