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Curious but turned off by wanted ad.

#21
Joe Nerve said:
That's exactly what I saw.

And I don't think people are reading too much into it, but they're not comprehending what they're reading.

Playing for the love of music as opposed to playing for money is a common, clear cut request. Simply put, it means someone is looking for people who are self supporting by means usually other than music, and aren't going to complain if they don't get paid. And there are a lot of musicians out there who fit the part and are willing to this. It's an understandable request when it's a band creating music together. This guy, however, wants you to learn HIS songs, note for note, quickly... and do it for nothing. And if somewhere down the line you disagree with him on something, regardless of how much time and effort you put into it, he'll find someone esle.

Run from these people. This is experience talking. You can find the same people who will pay you. Happily.
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Amen!! This is typical of 60% of the CL ads I see. Exactly what it is saying.
 
#22
Sadly, this ad is better than any CL ad in my neck of the woods. I just responded to an ad Sunday. The guitarist got back to me and sent me a list of 10 songs. Sidenote: Why people need 10 songs to know where I'm at and if I'd be a good fit is beyond me. Still, this was short. The band before gave me 58 songs to learn, one band gave me 86. For an audition. 86 songs. Anyways...the guitarist tells me they have a show this coming Saturday. (Ahh, now we're getting somewhere.) It's a benefit show. (No pay) We're also not going to rehearse before Saturday. Also, they've already re-listed the CL ad in case I bomb.
I envy you. :)
 
#23
Bass player and drummer needed for Aoustic Southern Rock Artist in Nashville,Tn. Need palyer that can learn fast, play it right and want to do it more for the love of the music than the love of the money.
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----no one will stay true to MY vision so i need to find new talent AGAIN. need someone that didn't start playing last year, won't play anything but roots and 5ths or whatever i tell them to play and do it for free and like it.

Must be secure and stable enough to not have to worry whether thay make 40 bucks a night or 100. Must be willing to start at the bottom and work thier way to the top...Not the other way around.
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----i know this place where we can play an open-mic after arriving there at 4:30 on wednesdays, getting on the sign-up sheet and waiting our turn to play for 15 minutes in front of other gigless musicians

Will be playing in and around Nashville and expanding as we grow
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----will beg, borrow and/or steal in order to not have to play to empty places that cost money to get to.

Need down home (Real) people ready to Rock. Interested??? Contact us now!!!
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----ad says 'artist' not artists. who is the US he is talking about? down home/real? as in too dumb to read through the lines?
 
#24
steelbed45 said:
Sadly, this ad is better than any CL ad in my neck of the woods. I just responded to an ad Sunday. The guitarist got back to me and sent me a list of 10 songs. Sidenote: Why people need 10 songs to know where I'm at and if I'd be a good fit is beyond me. Still, this was short. The band before gave me 58 songs to learn, one band gave me 86. For an audition. 86 songs. Anyways...the guitarist tells me they have a show this coming Saturday. (Ahh, now we're getting somewhere.) It's a benefit show. (No pay) We're also not going to rehearse before Saturday. Also, they've already re-listed the CL ad in case I bomb.
I envy you. :)
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Ridiculous- Run and run fast--- my new rule is I don't learn more than 4-5 new songs for ANY audition unless they are ones I already know. Also, you are rehearsing on GIG day? That is complete BS, NEVER< NEVER, EVER... Tell these fools what they can do, while bassist are not in quite as short supply as GOOD singers, we are still way fewer than guitards, and stick bangers.
 
#25
It *could* just mean that you'll be playing in and around Nashville. Tough market.

But the plural "as we grow" and "contact us now" are flags. More than a couple decent players working a side project in Nashville probably aren't fishing CL for bass and drums.

Those plurals also clash with the capitalized "A[c]oustic Southern Rock Artist." The job's a group gig when "we" need something, but a singular Artist when you get right down to the real nitty gritty.
 
#26
grinx said:
----no one will stay true to MY vision so i need to find new talent AGAIN. need someone that didn't start playing last year, won't play anything but roots and 5ths or whatever i tell them to play and do it for free and like it.



----i know this place where we can play an open-mic after arriving there at 4:30 on wednesdays, getting on the sign-up sheet and waiting our turn to play for 15 minutes in front of other gigless musicians



----will beg, borrow and/or steal in order to not have to play to empty places that cost money to get to.



----ad says 'artist' not artists. who is the US he is talking about? down home/real? as in too dumb to read through the lines?
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You get an A+ for reading comprehension.
 
#30
obimark said:
Ridiculous- Run and run fast--- my new rule is I don't learn more than 4-5 new songs for ANY audition unless they are ones I already know. Also, you are rehearsing on GIG day? That is complete BS, NEVER< NEVER, EVER... Tell these fools what they can do, while bassist are not in quite as short supply as GOOD singers, we are still way fewer than guitards, and stick bangers.
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Guess I forgot to mention I passed on this "offer". To the OP, I hope you find something more favorable than this...stuff.
 
#33
Alright, it was late and I was tired. My finger slipped from the "T" to the "Y" at the end of "BUT" so that's why it says "BUY" instead of "BUT." I am a straight male who is happily married to a beautiful woman with 3 adorable children. There, that feels better to get that off my chest.

Also, this was not a CL ad. This was an online ad I saw in an email from a musicians website (not Invalid Link Removed) that helps guys like myself get better gigs and informs me of opportunities in my area and in other areas as well. I shy away from CL as much as possible. Any time you get something for free, chances are you'll have to sift through a bunch of garbage before you find a gem. If you have to pay for an ad, you'd better be serious before you post it because it's costing you now.

Joe Nerve, your opinion, and those who have a similar opinion, is the closest to what I was thinking about the ad. I guess it's just that there are 2 classes of musicians in this world, probably more if you broke them all down. There are those who do it for fun and those who do it as a profession. I fall in the latter class. There's nothing wrong with either class, just 2 different motives for doing the same thing.
 
#36
derrico1 said:
It *could* just mean that you'll be playing in and around Nashville. Tough market.

But the plural "as we grow" and "contact us now" are flags. More than a couple decent players working a side project in Nashville probably aren't fishing CL for bass and drums.

Those plurals also clash with the capitalized "A[c]oustic Southern Rock Artist." The job's a group gig when "we" need something, but a singular Artist when you get right down to the real nitty gritty.
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Some good observations here ^ ^. The real pros already know a lot of local rythm section players. Hell, that's half the problem with finding work in Nashville!
 

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