Touchmix looks neat, but what's going to stop the weight of 16 XLR cables from dragging it off the top of the table?
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Digital Mixers. Now adding NAMM 2015 entries
- Thread starter Tunaman
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I'd use some tieline on the snake, but yes, the snake needs to be secured.
This reminds me of an incident I heard about nearly 20 years ago. During a multiple-day city-wide festival, it's customary and highly advised to pull any FOH snakes (audio, lighting, power, etc) up and tuck it under the stage so any errant vehicles or other hazards won't damage the snakes while they are unattended. SB, you may have heard this...
This particular company neglected to pull the snakes overnight. The story goes that they were assured by the powers-that-be that there was no way anyone could drive in or get in the audience area. But they didn't mention the street sweeper that would be used to clean the streets where the festival was set up.
In case you can't envision the nightmare that is about to ensue, the street sweeper ran the brushes against the curb where all the snakes were run. The snakes got entangled in the brush drums and said drums started wrapping up the snake in the middle. The snakes were still connected on each end and two (FOH, and monitor desk) 56-channel Midas consoles were jerked hard enough to be pulled off go their tables and onto the ground before the latching multi-pin connectors were torn apart. Believe it or not, the consoles survived the tumble. The snakes did not. Needless to say, the festival got a substantially late start the next day. No idea what became of the personnel in charge of caring for snakes on that event...
I'd use some tieline on the snake, but yes, the snake needs to be secured.
This reminds me of an incident I heard about nearly 20 years ago. During a multiple-day city-wide festival, it's customary and highly advised to pull any FOH snakes (audio, lighting, power, etc) up and tuck it under the stage so any errant vehicles or other hazards won't damage the snakes while they are unattended. SB, you may have heard this...
This particular company neglected to pull the snakes overnight. The story goes that they were assured by the powers-that-be that there was no way anyone could drive in or get in the audience area. But they didn't mention the street sweeper that would be used to clean the streets where the festival was set up.
In case you can't envision the nightmare that is about to ensue, the street sweeper ran the brushes against the curb where all the snakes were run. The snakes got entangled in the brush drums and said drums started wrapping up the snake in the middle. The snakes were still connected on each end and two (FOH, and monitor desk) 56-channel Midas consoles were jerked hard enough to be pulled off go their tables and onto the ground before the latching multi-pin connectors were torn apart. Believe it or not, the consoles survived the tumble. The snakes did not. Needless to say, the festival got a substantially late start the next day. No idea what became of the personnel in charge of caring for snakes on that event...
Oh god no I've never heard this before. Thanks for giving me nightmares.
You don't need a snake really it's just ideal. It's a lot better to have one than run 16 individual XLRs all the way to the board. Find some way to secure the XLRs so that if they get tugged then no pressure is being put on the mixer itself.
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I've sold my Mackie DL1608, but it had a similar form factor to the TouchMix. When I used it for small gigs (w/ no stage snake), I'd bring a racked bass head and put the mixer on top of the rack, with a SoundOff drum mute under the mixer to keep it from sliding. Mic cables went up and over the molded rack handle, leaving a short length to go behind the rack before plugging into the Mackie. Effective strain relief, and the bass rack (only ~ 20 lbs) was heavy enough not to budge, as long as nobody came by with a street sweeper.
a couple little sub-snakes maybe, for throwing out on stage by the drums and by the front mics, but almost the whole point of bar band digital mixing is to lose the snake out front into the crowd and do it wirelessly.
same principle applies here though, it's nice to keep the sub-snakes hooked to the board, strain-relieved and all racked up together, so you never have to mess with wearing out the board's jacks stuffing XLRs directly into them night after night.
open the rolling rack, uncoil and throw out the sub-snake boxes on stage, and everybody plugs the XLRs into those.
I just talked to Soundcraft and they bought SM Audio and created the UI16 from that product.
Thanks. Also the Ui24 was only a rumor. Still waiting on QU PAC price & Midas M32R prices as well
I just got the email yesterday that our drummer ordered an xr18. I already downloaded the x-air control app to my android phone, but without the mixer there you can't get past the connect screen. I'd like to learn the interface a bit. Anyone know of a way to play around with the interface on my android device without the mixer actually being around?
We have a four piece where all of us sing, and both guitar players also play keys, so there's a lot of swapping going on. It'd be good to have the ability to mute mics or keyboard inputs when they're not being used.
EDIT: there's an "offline" button to access the interface. I assumed it just was letting you know that the app was offline, and wasn't a clickable button. double edit, I guess we'll be able to set up noise gates on unused channels. you can actually have a noise gate and a compressor at the same time.
We have a four piece where all of us sing, and both guitar players also play keys, so there's a lot of swapping going on. It'd be good to have the ability to mute mics or keyboard inputs when they're not being used.
EDIT: there's an "offline" button to access the interface. I assumed it just was letting you know that the app was offline, and wasn't a clickable button. double edit, I guess we'll be able to set up noise gates on unused channels. you can actually have a noise gate and a compressor at the same time.
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QU-PAC
MAP will be $1499 so Id imagine you can negotiate down to $1399
X32 Rack MAP is $1199 & usually theres a little more wiggle room with Behringer gear IME.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...z0XK35LqZreqa7cE7_gQwvRXmiQyrhCQiLxoCICHw_wcB
Some say the X32 rack has more to offer but in the QU favor is multitrack recording to a USB stick. X32 rack seems to be just stereo from this video
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^ While the X32 Rack's front panel's USB port provides only stereo recording, the included 32-channel USB 2 interface expansion card allows multi-channel recording. (The video you link mentions this card @ ~ 4:50.)
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Does that do 32 channels to a USB stick or do you have to have a computer running some kind of capture software?
Yeah I dont get it either... it looks like a desktop card
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Behringer X32 Rack vs. Allen & Heath QU-PAC recording capability:
From page 13 of the Behringer X32 Rack quickstart guide:
(referring to the front panel USB)
[2] DATA/AUDIO USB input allows connection of USB flashdrives for firmware updates, loading/saving scenes and show files, and playing back or recording WAV files.
(referring to the interface card in back)
[26] X-USB card provides 32 channels of input and output via USB cable to and from any connected personal computer DAW application.
So it records stereo to a USB stick in front, and 32 channels to a computer running capture software in back.
From the product page for the Allen & Heath QU-PAC:
1. built-in interface streams multitrack audio to your Mac or PC ... all Input channels and the Main LR.
2. QU-DRIVE integrated multitrack USB recorder, providing 18 channels of 48kHz, 24bit recording and playback straight to/from your USB hard drive.
3. (QU-DRIVE also provides) An independent set of controls ... for quick stereo recording of the main LR or other mix outputs
From page 13 of the Behringer X32 Rack quickstart guide:
(referring to the front panel USB)
[2] DATA/AUDIO USB input allows connection of USB flashdrives for firmware updates, loading/saving scenes and show files, and playing back or recording WAV files.
(referring to the interface card in back)
[26] X-USB card provides 32 channels of input and output via USB cable to and from any connected personal computer DAW application.
So it records stereo to a USB stick in front, and 32 channels to a computer running capture software in back.
From the product page for the Allen & Heath QU-PAC:
1. built-in interface streams multitrack audio to your Mac or PC ... all Input channels and the Main LR.
2. QU-DRIVE integrated multitrack USB recorder, providing 18 channels of 48kHz, 24bit recording and playback straight to/from your USB hard drive.
3. (QU-DRIVE also provides) An independent set of controls ... for quick stereo recording of the main LR or other mix outputs
So you still need a computer with the 32rack which isnt hard to do here & there but I wouldn't do it often while I'd do it often with the QU because of the ease.
Might be nice if you use the same touchscreen laptop for main control and recording.
Flipping through screens on those little builtin displays can be a pain.
OTOH, you still have to add a tablet for wireless mixing.
If the goal is to have live recording and wireless mixing with only one computer, the QU-PAC + iPad seems to be the nice.
If it were me I would want to record every gig even if I throw most of them away the next day.
Murphy's law teaches us that magic moment will happen the one night we're not recording.
Flipping through screens on those little builtin displays can be a pain.
OTOH, you still have to add a tablet for wireless mixing.
If the goal is to have live recording and wireless mixing with only one computer, the QU-PAC + iPad seems to be the nice.
If it were me I would want to record every gig even if I throw most of them away the next day.
Murphy's law teaches us that magic moment will happen the one night we're not recording.
