Dingwall Owners Club

[AB Nate]

I am in the process of ordering 4-string Super PJ with Super J neck, Swamp Ash body, Hipshot D-tuner and a Super Fatty II bridge pickup. 18 months ETA, but that goes fast (hopefully) Wish me luck, can't wait!

Luck has been wished. I’m curious to hear how the SF2 compliments the P

 

[AB Nate]

So I took the plunge the other day and bought myself my first Dingwall, a Combustion 5. Fell in love with it from a picture and then was truly hooked when I played it at the store. I've had it a few days now and love the range of sounds on offer. A truly fantastic bass in every way!

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congrats and welcome to the club. Great looking bass!

 

[Lowendtech]

Has anyone here put a P-Tone in the bridge position on a SP/J? If so, how did it work compared to what was replaced (and what was the replaced p/u)?

 

[Rocky55]

Has anyone here put a P-Tone in the bridge position on a SP/J? If so, how did it work compared to what was replaced (and what was the replaced p/u)?

I‘m curious too. Had that convo today. The new Super P with PJ setup come with a Ptone in bridge. I’m curious between Ptone and SFII.

 

[Lowendtech]

I‘m curious too. Had that convo today. The new Super P with PJ setup come with a Ptone in bridge. I’m curious between Ptone and SFII.

I’ll know soon enough as I just ordered one from DW. I’m curious if some one has done a swap. I’ve got a FDV in it atm.

 

[deadline_]

Luck has been wished. I’m curious to hear how the SF2 compliments the P

Thank you! Just got told it will take 12 months, not 18, so I paid the deposit today! I chose the SF2 due it to being the most growly, but do you think it will be a good or bad match for the P?

 

[Selta]

Thank you! Just got told it will take 12 months, not 18, so I paid the deposit today! I chose the SF2 due it to being the most growly, but do you think it will be a good or bad match for the P?

That's... very interesting. In the middle of a global pandemic, Dingwall's crew cut build queue times down by 33%?

 

[xnewyorka]

That's... very interesting. In the middle of a global pandemic, Dingwall's crew cut build queue times down by 33%?

It depends on when the dealer signed up for the build slot.
It's about 18 to 24 months from the time they signed up for the slot.
So if you find a dealer for whom some of that time has already elapsed, but they haven't spec'd out the configuration yet for that slot, you can get your own custom bass with a slightly reduced wait time.

 

[BurningSkies]

Has anyone here put a P-Tone in the bridge position on a SP/J? If so, how did it work compared to what was replaced (and what was the replaced p/u)?

I‘m curious too. Had that convo today. The new Super P with PJ setup come with a Ptone in bridge. I’m curious between Ptone and SFII.

My Super-P will have a P-Tone in the bridge position. After some thought, I reached out and had a back and forth with Billy at the shop about it to find out what the best options are. I had initially spec'ed a FD-3, but more out of the fact that that's what I've always used in my Dingwalls. I asked him what the actual shop wisdom was for the bridge position on the Super-P. He suggested that the P-Tone is not only a good fit tonally and works with the split-coil P in the neck position but it balances well with the output. I also have asked for, and they're graciously doing a circuit for me that has push/pull for series/parallel for the P-Tone.

 

[Lowendtech]

My Super-P will have a P-Tone in the bridge position. After some thought, I reached out and had a back and forth with Billy at the shop about it to find out what the best options are. I had initially spec'ed a FD-3, but more out of the fact that that's what I've always used in my Dingwalls. I asked him what the actual shop wisdom was for the bridge position on the Super-P. He suggested that the P-Tone is not only a good fit tonally and works with the split-coil P in the neck position but it balances well with the output. I also have asked for, and they're graciously doing a circuit for me that has push/pull for series/parallel for the P-Tone.

Nice. Thank you for that. Which knob is getting the push/pull?

 

[BurningSkies]

Nice. Thank you for that. Which knob is getting the push/pull?

It's going to be on the volume.

We discussed some options, whether we did a Jazz style V/V/T and use the Volume or using a V/4W/T...And I just favor the tonal flexibility of the 4 way as well as the fact that I think it sounds better than some of the weirdness you get with V/V/T where you have to unbalance the pickup volumes a little to get the low end to open up right.

I believe that this allows the shop to use the tone circuit they currently use on the SP without much difficulty. I've asked for the 'push' (in) position to be series and the pull to be parallel. I'll most likely use the series setting more often and it would balance better with a traditionally wired P-Bass split pickup tone which is series as well.

My other thought had been if I'd gone V/V/T I could have pushed my luck and had S/P push pulls on BOTH the volumes for each of the pickups, which would be pretty close to 'full Dingwall electronics kit'...but decided not to push too much or rock the boat that hard. They're already being super cool about doing this much for me. And again, I really don't favor the Jazz Bass control layout anyway.

...Though I'll consider this bass to be a Super P-P,since it won't have much of a much that's anything like a Jazz Bass anything on it. It really ends up being a 'double P'.

 

[AB Nate]

Thank you! Just got told it will take 12 months, not 18, so I paid the deposit today! I chose the SF2 due it to being the most growly, but do you think it will be a good or bad match for the P?

I bet it will be a great match. Perhaps the best match for a more traditional sounding PJ. Of course there isn’t much traditional sounding about a Dingwall to begin with but.....

Should be a great combo.
The P tone I’d say rounds things out a bit compared to an FD3 but doesn’t really do the same job as an actual P split, from my experience.
As @BurningSkies just mentioned, the output of a P tone in the bridge position may balance out the best with the P pup and I would think this will sound great.

Depending on tonal goals though I would ASSUME(yep assume. So many variables.) the SF2 will allow a more “burpie” tonal option vs a ballz out P rage.

I have to truly admit. I’ve always been a 3x with a pre amp guy for variety and dialing in BUT. My single P with the tone control has amazing diversity(in the spectrum of a 1 pup bass) and that P pup just sounds really damn great. Very well balanced.

I would have though having a more traditional maple/rosewood or maple/maple neck would get me closer to the imagined sound I want but I can’t deny how good the wenge/wenge sounds on this, most primitive of basses, monster.

 

[Lowendtech]

It's going to be on the volume.

We discussed some options, whether we did a Jazz style V/V/T and use the Volume or using a V/4W/T...And I just favor the tonal flexibility of the 4 way as well as the fact that I think it sounds better than some of the weirdness you get with V/V/T where you have to unbalance the pickup volumes a little to get the low end to open up right.

I believe that this allows the shop to use the tone circuit they currently use on the SP without much difficulty. I've asked for the 'push' (in) position to be series and the pull to be parallel. I'll most likely use the series setting more often and it would balance better with a traditionally wired P-Bass split pickup tone which is series as well.

My other thought had been if I'd gone V/V/T I could have pushed my luck and had S/P push pulls on BOTH the volumes for each of the pickups, which would be pretty close to 'full Dingwall electronics kit'...but decided not to push too much or rock the boat that hard. They're already being super cool about doing this much for me. And again, I really don't favor the Jazz Bass control layout anyway.

...Though I'll consider this bass to be a Super P-P,since it won't have much of a much that's anything like a Jazz Bass anything on it. It really ends up being a 'double P'.

Very cool. I had originally contacted Billy to get the Fusion control for my P/J 4 as I really liked that control in my P5. The mid dip really works for me sometimes and I wanted to be able to do that in P mode as it’s the most used setting for me. One thing led to another and the fusion control, P~Tone pup ( I’ll just wire it in series) a D- Tuner, and a new gig bag are soon on the way. And strings. Billy was very helpful.

 

[AB Nate]

Very cool. I had originally contacted Billy to get the Fusion control for my P/J 4 as I really liked that control in my P5. The mid dip really works for me sometimes and I wanted to be able to do that in P mode as it’s the most used setting for me. One thing led to another and the fusion control, P~Tone pup ( I’ll just wire it in series) a D- Tuner, and a new gig bag are soon on the way. And strings. Billy was very helpful.

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Hee hee

 

[BurningSkies]

I bet it will be a great match. Perhaps the best match for a more traditional sounding PJ. Of course there isn’t much traditional sounding about a Dingwall to begin with but.....

Should be a great combo.
The P tone I’d say rounds things out a bit compared to an FD3 but doesn’t really do the same job as an actual P split, from my experience.
As @BurningSkies just mentioned, the output of a P tone in the bridge position may balance out the best with the P pup and I would think this will sound great.

Depending on tonal goals though I would ASSUME(yep assume. So many variables.) the SF2 will allow a more “burpie” tonal option vs a ballz out P rage.

I have to truly admit. I’ve always been a 3x with a pre amp guy for variety and dialing in BUT. My single P with the tone control has amazing diversity(in the spectrum of a 1 pup bass) and that P pup just sounds really damn great. Very well balanced.

I would have though having a more traditional maple/rosewood or maple/maple neck would get me closer to the imagined sound I want but I can’t deny how good the wenge/wenge sounds on this, most primitive or basses, monster.

I'm interested to see how the bridge pickup works out. The idea of having a P/P setup is attractive to me, though if you had a parallel/series on the bridge pickup of most any of the Dingwall pickups, your tone is closer to a P in series and Jazz in parallel anyway. I really found myself moving away from Jazz tone back at the turn of the millennium. I'd played Jazz basses on stage exclusively for a decade and was happy about it (both fretted and fretless), but I bought a 73 Precision and just really fell in love with THAT tone. I couldn't ever go back to the Jazz and find the same tonal love after that. For a short while I had one of the few/rare PRS Jazz-style basses and while it played well it was too Jazz and the electronics were a tonal mess (horrible preamp). And that's when I moved to my very first Afterburner 1. It being closer to a Precision, especially when in series mode on the 4-way just made it FIT so much better for me.

My Super P/P will have maple neck and ebony board, luminlay dots and a B/W/B pickguard.

.I also have a P-Tone neck pickup that I had in my NG3 for a while. At that time, I also had a reversed 3X switching scheme and when I reverted to the traditional 3X setup I put an FD-3 Neck back in to that bass.

 

[Lowendtech]

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Hee hee

A bit. I have at least one too many preamps anyway. I should sell one. That’ll take care of it.

 

[BurningSkies]

Very cool. I had originally contacted Billy to get the Fusion control for my P/J 4 as I really liked that control in my P5. The mid dip really works for me sometimes and I wanted to be able to do that in P mode as it’s the most used setting for me. One thing led to another and the fusion control, P~Tone pup ( I’ll just wire it in series) a D- Tuner, and a new gig bag are soon on the way. And strings. Billy was very helpful.

Yeah. I'll say this for the shop these days...they've really got their production game way more aligned than they used to. Once I placed my order, we followed up with the details on the electronics then I got a spec-sheet to review that we tweaked a couple things and confirmed. I appreciate that for the fact that I know in rear view mirror, production errors did happen and it could throw off your (and other people's) build times by a good amount. I was really impressed by the system they're using now.

 

[AB Nate]

I'm interested to see how the bridge pickup works out. The idea of having a P/P setup is attractive to me, though if you had a parallel/series on the bridge pickup of most any of the Dingwall pickups, your tone is closer to a P in series and Jazz in parallel anyway. I really found myself moving away from Jazz tone back at the turn of the millennium. I'd played Jazz basses on stage exclusively for a decade and was happy about it (both fretted and fretless), but I bought a 73 Precision and just really fell in love with THAT tone. I couldn't ever go back to the Jazz and find the same tonal love after that. For a short while I had one of the few/rare PRS Jazz-style basses and while it played well it was too Jazz and the electronics were a tonal mess (horrible preamp). And that's when I moved to my very first Afterburner 1. It being closer to a Precision, especially when in series mode on the 4-way just made it FIT so much better for me.

My Super P/P will have maple neck and ebony board, luminlay dots and a B/W/B pickguard.

.I also have a P-Tone neck pickup that I had in my NG3 for a while. At that time, I also had a reversed 3X switching scheme and when I reverted to the traditional 3X setup I put an FD-3 Neck back in to that bass.

You’ll have Dingder blacktop!!

I’ve heard some really great double P sounding basses.

IIRC @LowEndLobster did a great review on a FGN that had a double P. It sounds just freaking ballzy.

side note. On in particular my maple Z 6 string but others too, I’ve found the FD3 Solo’d in neck position has often shocked me how P tone sounding I can get it. Not necessarily as round and mid present but definitely as wooly.

When he says his Pick up Designs are influenced primarily by P pick ups I can definitely hear it..... Even in an FD3!!

 

[AB Nate]

A bit. I have at least one too many preamps anyway. I should sell one. That’ll take care of it.

I put an inquiry in about some black hardware..... I gotta keep my imagination in check. These nickel and dimes add up!!

 

[BurningSkies]

You’ll have Dingder blacktop!!

I’ve heard some really great double P sounding basses.

IIRC @LowEndLobster did a great review on a FGN that had a double P. It sounds just freaking ballzy.

side note. On in particular my maple Z 6 string but others too, I’ve found the FD3 Solo’d in neck position has often shocked me how P tone sounding I can get it. Not necessarily as round and mid present but definitely as wooly.

When he says his Pick up Designs are influenced primarily by P pick ups I can definitely hear it..... Even in an FD3!!

In the old days when the FD3 came hardwired with it's coils in parallel it was a little less noticeable, and the Bridge/Neck series on the AB-1 I had definitely had a 'humbucker-active' vibe to it (used to have people ask me what the preamp was all the time). I've never loved the Precision with added Jazz pickup mod because they always seem to unbalance tonally and there's also something that subtly kills the magic of the P. That's probably related to how the electronics are usually implemented on that mod. I believe that the Dingwall wiring schemes take care of that problem.