Dingwall Owners Club

[J Posega]

Does anyone know if the following wiring update would be possible on 3 pickup models, at least from a conceptual level (IE ignoring the extra knob hole that is needed)?

The idea is to use two 2x pickup selector knobs to control pickup selection. The first would be hooked up to the bridge and middle pickups and allow choosing between the bridge/middle each solo’d, in parallel or in series. The second knob would treat the output from the first selector as “one pickup”, and the neck pickup as the other pickup. So you could have the output from the two other pickups solo’d, the neck pickup solo’d, or whatever setting the other two pickups had in parallel or series with the neck.

To me this seems like a great way to get added versatility into the instrument, as pretty much any combination of the 3 pickups becomes possible. I really like my d-roc standard so far, but I’m kind of curious what the neck and middle pickup in series or neck and bridge in parallel would sound like on it. I know nothing about bass wiring or electronic internals, so I’m not sure if this is possible from a wiring perspective.

Another idea is 2X pickup selector on the bridge/middle for either solo’d or in series or in parallel, then a push pull pot on the volume pot to add the neck pickup in parallel. But again, not sure if it’s possible.

For the dual 2x setup you would just wire bridge & middle to one switch and treat the output wires from that switch as the total bridge pickup. Then connect those along with the wires from your neck pickup to the other switch. The Dingwall switches are solderless so it’s as easy as working a couple little screws.

I don’t know if there would be any phase issues, but I would be concerned about the complexity of knowing which knob is set where to get whatever combination of pickups you’re after.

 

[AB Nate]

Haha, I still want a series/parallel or a producer switch (read I forgot to photoshop out a knob). Yeah I only used the middle pickup on mine, I don't wanna pay for the two I don't use.

It would actually be nice to have every pickup combination available on every bass in the custom line, a D-roc with a split P or PJ setup would also be amazing.

the Split P would be rad.
Also, you could just use a push pull instead of the 3rd knob

 

[DingwallDingus]

You wear your strap like that? Isn't that backwards?

The finish looks great, for sure. I dig the matte pick guard.

Wouldn't surprise me if it were because I've never used these types before, lovely strap btw. My thinking was this way the Dingwall logo is the correct way visually relative to me but I guess I should rethink that haha.

 

[spiritbass]

Aren’t the FD3 pickups already split coil pickups?

Yes, in a 'reverse-P' configuration.

 

[Digity]

Wouldn't surprise me if it were because I've never used these types before, lovely strap btw. My thinking was this way the Dingwall logo is the correct way visually relative to me but I guess I should rethink that haha.

Skinny part at the bottom.

 

[BurningSkies]

Phaaaaaat bass tone!

Yep, Monique tube DI, the fretless Combustion, and I do run a few things on my pedal board (but for this show, it was just my Cali76 and a hit of IE Nimbus Reverb)...

 

[BurningSkies]

Oh awesome! Thanks for posting this. Sounds real nice! much smoother than I was expecting. Definitely had a nice fretless vibe.

Was that a bass you had defretted? I don't imagine there's a regular fretless option with combustion basses?

Thanks, definitely the musical setting that worked best for 'smooth' rather than trying to cut. It was a one-off 'acoustic' show and given I don't have an upright or the ability to play one, this was what I was hearing in my head. I was thinking that neo-soul kind of vibe. It is the defretted Combustion, but it was after the first job, which removed the frets and inlaid boxwood lines. I didn't love it and I felt that the neck wasn't true enough for what I wanted.

WOAH!!! Bill, is this a new Root Shock album?

I just checked out a quick snippet but I’m gonna try and listen to it all tomorrow. I’m stoked to hear the rest

Just a one-off weirdo show we did a couple years ago...up the road about 20 minutes from me further out in the country is an old grange hall that's become a live-music venue that does a 'curated' slate of acoustic shows every year. We spend about 2 months working on translating our stuff to fit that setting. We brought the tempos of the songs down, stripped them back to let the writing and lyrics shine and tried to create a more intimate connection.

They sold out the room plus about 50 people, then had problems when it was fully seated but most of the people wanted to dance! Second set they removed some chairs. This is a multi-track off of our IEM setup, which we've done with pretty much every show.

It's the only time I've played fretless out since the 1990's... I'd like to do a project in this direction though...Also, my fretless playing is in way better shape now than it was for this show.

A carbon fibre-necked Dingwall would be really cool!

That's sort of my 'dream' fretless right now. I'd love a carbon fiber fanned fretless 5 string Dingwall. I honestly think that it would be the best way to have the most dialed in fingerboard, flattest neck with the least amount of movement due to humidity changes. Assuming that this is something that Sheldon is really not interested in pursuing; Mo recently did a graphite necked 5 that was beautiful...if he's ever open to such things and does another run, I'd very much consider having him do a 5-string Super neck in graphite.

 

[ThisYouCanTrust]

I had a couple of carbon fiber necked basses (still have one), but as much as I loved them they always sounded a bit "plasticky", for lack of a better word.

 

[darren1970]

7 or 8 weeks ( hopefully ) until I get my grubby hands on my D-roc Standard 5 string.
I'm starting to get REALLY excited

 

[Jamie_Funk]

Does anyone know if the following wiring update would be possible on 3 pickup models, at least from a conceptual level (IE ignoring the extra knob hole that is needed)?

The idea is to use two 2x pickup selector knobs to control pickup selection. The first would be hooked up to the bridge and middle pickups and allow choosing between the bridge/middle each solo’d, in parallel or in series. The second knob would treat the output from the first selector as “one pickup”, and the neck pickup as the other pickup. So you could have the output from the two other pickups solo’d, the neck pickup solo’d, or whatever setting the other two pickups had in parallel or series with the neck.

To me this seems like a great way to get added versatility into the instrument, as pretty much any combination of the 3 pickups becomes possible. I really like my d-roc standard so far, but I’m kind of curious what the neck and middle pickup in series or neck and bridge in parallel would sound like on it. I know nothing about bass wiring or electronic internals, so I’m not sure if this is possible from a wiring perspective.

Another idea is 2X pickup selector on the bridge/middle for either solo’d or in series or in parallel, then a push pull pot on the volume pot to add the neck pickup in parallel. But again, not sure if it’s possible.

I just did something like this on my Combustion this weekend and am thrilled with the results!

Bridge and Middle connected to the 2x switch for all the regular NG-2 options.

• Neck pickup connected to one side of an On/On/On switch.
• Output from 2X switch connected to other side of the On/On/On
• Middle of On/On/On goes to Volume

This results in now having the ability to mix the Neck in parallel with any of the 2X options, have Neck solo, or have the 2x options only. Love it. It provides all of these 9 options:

• Neck only
• Neck in parallel with Middle
• Neck in parallel with Middle/Bridge (Series)
  
• Neck in parallel with Middle/Bridge (Parallel)
• Neck in parallel with Bridge
  
• Middle only
• Middle/Bridge (Series)
• Middle/Bridge (Parallel)
• Bridge only

I also had the Neck pickup moved closer to the neck to both allow for 3 pickups (the older rectangular pickup Combustion stock route doesn't allows for 3 pickups) but mostly to give a more convincing Jazz sound from Neck and Bridge together.

Still have to get a pickguard made to accommodate all this - having one made in black and white pearl soon.

Crappy pics or it didn't happen - note middle switch is a dummy - I had two S/P switches (one for each pickup) previously when this was 2 pickup-only - never moved them from parallel so didn't add that functionality back, and needed something to fill an empty hole The switch closest to the neck is the On/On/On.

Before:



After:



Really digging Neck in parallel with Middle/Bridge (Series) and Middle only, and of course always loved Neck in Parallel with Bridge.

J

 

[J Posega]

Assuming that this is something that Sheldon is really not interested in pursuing; Mo recently did a graphite necked 5 that was beautiful...if he's ever open to such things and does another run, I'd very much consider having him do a 5-string Super neck in graphite.

What I gathered from Mo’s posts about his MBD line was that he got a handful of the last necks to be made by Moses Graphite. They’ve quit making necks to focus on other stuff. I think that means Status and Modulus are the only companies making graphite/carbon fiber necks.

 

[IvanBassist]

What I gathered from Mo’s posts about his MBD line was that he got a handful of the last necks to be made by Moses Graphite. They’ve quit making necks to focus on other stuff. I think that means Status and Modulus are the only companies making graphite/carbon fiber necks.

Zon also makes their necks with carbon fiber, if I'm not mistaken

 

[J Posega]

Zon also makes their necks with carbon fiber, if I'm not mistaken

Looks like you’re right, but Status is the only company selling necks, and they only do a small variety, no customs. So the likelihood of getting a custom graphite fanned neck is pretty slim. Pretty sad and unusual because I’d assume the tech used to make stuff like that has only gotten cheaper over the years.

Thee are carbon fiber filled 3D printing filaments. Maybe someone would be crazy enough to design and print a neck with that stuff!

 

[BurningSkies]

Looks like you’re right, but Status is the only company selling necks, and they only do a small variety, no customs. So the likelihood of getting a custom graphite fanned neck is pretty slim. Pretty sad and unusual because I’d assume the tech used to make stuff like that has only gotten cheaper over the years.

Thee are carbon fiber filled 3D printing filaments. Maybe someone would be crazy enough to design and print a neck with that stuff!

Yeah, I'd known about the Moses thing, but also, I've heard mixed things over the years about the quality of the work and I know that Mo put in a lot of time working on those necks, so they arrived without much fine finishing detail, IIRC.

To me its way more important to have the stability and uniformity in a fretless setup than a fretted one. I don't know quite why, but it just seems that with a fretless to get the strings way down on the board where I want them and not have overt buzz/wolf spots is such a very fine line and ends up being difficult to maintain over time. It would be really fantastic to have a neck that you could set up initially and be close to impervious to exterior conditions, and while graphite stays or rods certainly help, it feels like a halfway point. I guess for me it would be ideally a carbon fiber/graphite neck blank and a wood fretboard with something really stable. I keep the fretless Combustion in my music room that remains at 40%-ish most of the time, but in the end there's some play and adjustment about 3 times a year no matter what

 

[singlemalt]

I bought a Zon Vinnie 4 long ago, before my first Dingwall.

In theory, it ticked all the boxes. Light weight, 19mm string spacing, jazz configuration, active, high quality build....carbon neck. I just never bonded with it, and a year later, off it went.

Maybe I should have tried harder, with different strings and time, but it just didn’t feel right. The headless thing was not for me.

Nothing like the instant spark with my first Super PJ.

For almost thirty years my first, and one and only, was a Kramer 450B. I loved that aluminum necked beast. Even with its quirky temperature sensitive tuning swings and ungodly weight.

She’s long gone now, turned into cash for another Dingwall.

 

[silky smoove]

Looks like you’re right, but Status is the only company selling necks, and they only do a small variety, no customs. So the likelihood of getting a custom graphite fanned neck is pretty slim.

I spoke to Rob Green (owner of Status) about a multiscale years ago and he said something about being one of the first companies to try and make use of the Novax system, but ran into some problems... I wish I could remember more about it and my emails hadn’t been auto-deleted.

 

[Sheldon D.]

I spoke to Rob Green (owner of Status) about a multiscale years ago and he said something about being one of the first companies to try and make use of the Novax system, but ran into some problems... I wish I could remember more about it and my emails hadn’t been auto-deleted.

I talked to him 5 or so years ago about colaborating. He seemed pretty luke warm to the idea at the time. Much respect for him though.

 

[silky smoove]

I talked to him 5 or so years ago about colaborating. He seemed pretty luke warm to the idea at the time. Much respect for him though.

He did some collaborations with Ernie Ball years ago. Since that’s not ongoing I wonder if he’s soured on company collaborations in general. Pure speculation on my part obviously.

 

[ThisYouCanTrust]

Yeah, I'd known about the Moses thing, but also, I've heard mixed things over the years about the quality of the work and I know that Mo put in a lot of time working on those necks, so they arrived without much fine finishing detail, IIRC.

To me its way more important to have the stability and uniformity in a fretless setup than a fretted one. I don't know quite why, but it just seems that with a fretless to get the strings way down on the board where I want them and not have overt buzz/wolf spots is such a very fine line and ends up being difficult to maintain over time. It would be really fantastic to have a neck that you could set up initially and be close to impervious to exterior conditions, and while graphite stays or rods certainly help, it feels like a halfway point. I guess for me it would be ideally a carbon fiber/graphite neck blank and a wood fretboard with something really stable. I keep the fretless Combustion in my music room that remains at 40%-ish most of the time, but in the end there's some play and adjustment about 3 times a year no matter what

The tuning on my carbon-fiber-necked basses still moved from time to time, never much but enough to warrant turning those pegs.

What never did is my evertune guitar, supposedly they will make a bass version at some point ?

 

[EMoneySC2]

The tuning on my carbon-fiber-necked basses still moved from time to time, never much but enough to warrant turning those pegs.

What never did is my evertune guitar, supposedly they will make a bass version at some point ?

Imagine: true-temperament frets, evertune bridge, headless, carbon fiber neck, long scale Dingwall

That bass would probably also make a nice cuppa’ joe while frying an egg!