Dingwall Owners Club

[Challanger2]

Would I be certified nuts to buy another 4 string Combustion to have permanently setup for BEAD tuning? I do not want to, and quite honestly, refuse, to learn how to play a 5 string. There are so many things I need to improve on with my 4 string Dingwall that I don't want to take 10 steps backwards right now by having a 5 string in my hands. I have some songs that are originally written for a 5 string (they are metal songs, quite heavy but those guys don't even use the G string, so it's like they are playing a BEAD 4 string anyway). I have been taking their Guitar Pro files and converting them to Eb Drop Db tuning, and tune my current Dingwall to that. I also have a lot of guys on Fiverr that I pay to transcribe songs (mp3's) to Guitar Pro file, or MIDI, and the ones for 5 string I then put in the time to convert to Eb Drop Db. There is talk all over here about lower tunings on a standard bass and how the neck gets affected and all, so I don't do it much. I have seen others here in the Dingwall forum, not mentioning any names, AB Nate and BurningSkies, that may, to the outsider, *appear* to go a little too far with this whole Dingwall thing, but I don't see it that way and you couldn't pay me a million dollars to see it that way, because I feel I am right there with them, I just haven't started out with the obsession, yet..but I feel I am infected. It would only be something like this from Beavers place in Florida. Anyone here have a dedicated BEAD 4 string Combustion Dingwall ?

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I'd say go for it. I plan to get one at some point in the future.

 

[EMoneySC2]

Er, I got the feeling that they discontinued that as a specific model due to lack of consumer interest to drive the sales. I don't know if it was due to people being more weight conscious or what. I do know that the earlier iteration of the AB2, before they were chambered and F-holed may be of interest to you. They were originally mahogany bodied/bubinga topped then later walnut bodied & bubinga topped.

That was my understanding too. My thought is that Spector and Warwick both make basses with those heavy woods, so if their multiscale offerings also use them it could generate interest in multiscales with that “feature set”.

 

[AB Nate]

Would I be certified nuts to buy another 4 string Combustion to have permanently setup for BEAD tuning? I do not want to, and quite honestly, refuse, to learn how to play a 5 string. There are so many things I need to improve on with my 4 string Dingwall that I don't want to take 10 steps backwards right now by having a 5 string in my hands. I have some songs that are originally written for a 5 string (they are metal songs, quite heavy but those guys don't even use the G string, so it's like they are playing a BEAD 4 string anyway). I have been taking their Guitar Pro files and converting them to Eb Drop Db tuning, and tune my current Dingwall to that. I also have a lot of guys on Fiverr that I pay to transcribe songs (mp3's) to Guitar Pro file, or MIDI, and the ones for 5 string I then put in the time to convert to Eb Drop Db. There is talk all over here about lower tunings on a standard bass and how the neck gets affected and all, so I don't do it much. I have seen others here in the Dingwall forum, not mentioning any names, AB Nate and BurningSkies, that may, to the outsider, *appear* to go a little too far with this whole Dingwall thing, but I don't see it that way and you couldn't pay me a million dollars to see it that way, because I feel I am right there with them, I just haven't started out with the obsession, yet..but I feel I am infected. It would only be something like this from Beavers place in Florida. Anyone here have a dedicated BEAD 4 string Combustion Dingwall ?

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It is highly contagious. You should have wore a mask.

PS if your trying to talk yourself out of your second one....I think it’s too late.

 

[AB Nate]

Super interested!

Throw a guess out there!

Me too!

I’ll PM you and @Waltsdog the answer if I don’t get 3 more other guesses.

 

[Nuage420]

Throw a guess out there!


I’ll PM you and @Waltsdog the answer if I don’t get 3 more other guesses.

... Oh lord, I am so bad at guessing games! Ok lemme think

 

[AB Nate]

... Oh lord, I am so bad at guessing games! Ok lemme think

A little hint. New vs older strings make a pretty solid difference between the Dingwall options IMO.

 

[Nuage420]

I’m trying to learn a few things on recording. It seems in this day and age it’s important for auditioning or selling gear or showcasing it but either way, It’s almost a required skill these days. I’m long over due to invest some time into it.

Thanks to @Iv@N And his videos, the recording covers one in particular, I’ve taken a couple baby steps.

it’s not good mind you but in an early experiment I’m working on I wanted to compare some P basses and other basses that could get pretty close to that vibe.

I stumbled on an easy song that I probably should have learned 20 years ago and recorded some basses to it.

I figured just for fun I’d do a mash up of the basses mixed throughout the song.

With that I have also been curious to hear them back to back. Rough as guts and no filters other then the signal chain which is:

Bass
> DG Hyperluminal compressor
> Mesa WD800
> Steinberg UR 22 mkII interface
> Cubase elements

the Basses used:
-Dingwall SJP PJ bridge/neck series new strings
-Dingwall SJP. P only same bass above
-MTD CRB5 2 yr old strings at least
-Dingwall Super P. 8 month old strings.
-Dingwall Z3 6 Neck pick up only 10 month old strings
-Dingwall SJ neck pick up only. Not sure the age of these strings and they are not Dingwall strings.
-Fender P. Strings might be from 93!!!! I don’t know the bass ever received any love.... ever. I did boil them though a couple months back but thats it.
Photos of settings on comp and amp and of basses used:
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I’ve recorded them in a random order and then did a quick snippet of each bass in that same order at the end of the song.

I thought maybe it’d be fun for those interested to try and guess which one is which.
The changes go as such:

1.0-34 sec
2.34-50 sec
3.50-1:33 min
4.1:33-2:08 min
5.2:08-2:44 min
6.2:44-3:46 min
7.3:46-4:18 min

I know the bass is hot and the recording is hack but it’s just an experiment on a learning curve so struggle along with me. Lol.

I figured due to the amount of dingwall content it may be fair to post it here. Perhaps I can get better at this and add video if my old PC can keep up.

Oh and all basses were recorded passive and at neutral setting (5). Not where I’d normally set them but for consistency it’s what I did.

Dropbox - WW bass samples MP3.mp3 - Simplify your life


Hope this works.

That black P is a dream...

 

[AB Nate]

That black P is a dream...

It’s actually a burgundy but often translates black.

 

[BassBH]

I bought a set a while back to try on the Maple Z. Ultimately I preferred regular Nickels as they are more. More dynamic, full, bright, open are words that come to mind for me. I lent them to @BassBH and he used them for a while. He may have more opinion to offer.

I’m gonna try a bit of an experiment with them. I’ll finish fully stringing up the fretless and get a better vibe but I just threw a couple on for a knee jerk impression. Instant impression:

-they are less aggressive feeling towards the board then nickels but sliding up them I’d say friction is increased as heat is increased.
-they do offer a more round wound experience though for sure and it is slightly “suppressed” in comparison. Less Zingy but more of the added pronunciation expected from a round.
They sound good and I’m curious to see how it grows on me but I’d make a good bet that the Payson flats will be back on real soon as they capture what I currently desire.

I think the flats keep getting better with age. I love the “Horn” vibe from them.

also, I like a taper on my strings. The BDs do not have taper.

have you tried DR Black beauties? I find them very similar.
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Edit: 2 hrs later and I’m really digging how these things play and speak on the
Fretless. They will stay on longer then I thought.

I can’t really say it any better than you already did. I even checked my previous two posts that mention them.

I had the black daggers on for a few months. They’re similar to the Payson RC Nickels, less zingy, not quite as versatile if you want to get aggressive, a touch warmer but not as much as I expected. Their touch takes a little getting used to, but the adjustment was probably more surprising going back to uncoated. I remember first putting them on and sliding around like a lunatic, causing myself a surprising amount of pain. I liked sliding on them, but had to watch the heat level.

I found a couple pics (not the best lighting, unfortunately). I’d probably put another set on for a bit of a change, sometime if only for how they look. Not that I’m shallow or anything. Haha.

 

[Nuage420]

It’s actually a burgundy but often translates black.

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[BassBH]

Nice! After (pre-dingwall) years of playing Elixirs I'm going to have to try these.

Do you have pictures of how they look like? Curious about the black coating.

I put a couple pics just above (2 posts above). May not be as close up as you are looking for. They look great, if you’re into that kinda thing. I was definitely a fan.

 

[ThisYouCanTrust]

It’s actually a burgundy but often translates black.

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Oh, that's nice. Especially paired with that neck.

 

[jakka1]

Would I be certified nuts to buy another 4 string Combustion to have permanently setup for BEAD tuning? I do not want to, and quite honestly, refuse, to learn how to play a 5 string. There are so many things I need to improve on with my 4 string Dingwall that I don't want to take 10 steps backwards right now by having a 5 string in my hands. I have some songs that are originally written for a 5 string (they are metal songs, quite heavy but those guys don't even use the G string, so it's like they are playing a BEAD 4 string anyway). I have been taking their Guitar Pro files and converting them to Eb Drop Db tuning, and tune my current Dingwall to that. I also have a lot of guys on Fiverr that I pay to transcribe songs (mp3's) to Guitar Pro file, or MIDI, and the ones for 5 string I then put in the time to convert to Eb Drop Db. There is talk all over here about lower tunings on a standard bass and how the neck gets affected and all, so I don't do it much. I have seen others here in the Dingwall forum, not mentioning any names, AB Nate and BurningSkies, that may, to the outsider, *appear* to go a little too far with this whole Dingwall thing, but I don't see it that way and you couldn't pay me a million dollars to see it that way, because I feel I am right there with them, I just haven't started out with the obsession, yet..but I feel I am infected. It would only be something like this from Beavers place in Florida. Anyone here have a dedicated BEAD 4 string Combustion Dingwall ?

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I say go for it. I used to have a NG2 4 string dedicated to BEAD. Worked and sounded great!! I don’t think there is a better option out there to pull off BEAD on a 4 than a Dingwall. I only moved on from it when my Dingwall fever got worse and a wenge neck Super J 5 showed up for sale locally.

 

[BurningSkies]

Hello Everyone. I have ordered my first Dingwall a while ago, D-Roc Standard 5 string so probably I'd join the Club in late spring I am a bit hesitant about the pickups though because I've learnt that FD-3N's which are stock in D-Rock standard have Neodymium magnets, and I am more of a Alnico-V guy. Could anyone educate me about the tone difference between FD-3N and FDV (Alnico) pickups, I guess many of you used or tried both? So now I have three options - leaving it all stock with FD-3N, swapping them with FDV (pricey!) or putting a P-Tone in a middle position and leaving two FD-3N in neck and bridge. Can anyone chime in with own experience of all three pickups? Thanks!

I prefer the FD-3's.

 

[DingwallDingus]

Anybody in here have experience/success mic-ing up a loud cab for bass? My 800w Magellan head has a certain type of mojo I'm just not getting from direct in with the same head + cabinet sim. I'm aware that this could be the standing in front of loud rig/louder=better effect.

DI is crazy convient for recording and monitoring purposes but I can't shake the feeling the I could get a crazy awesome sound with my current gear but with a much more time consuming and expensive process. Maybe it would make very little difference and I could save myself the trouble, I'm not sure.

Just mainly looking for input from those of you that have done this, especially in a heavier context. I would need two main tones, fairly compressed and distorted and phat, low and clear.

 

[BurningSkies]

Anybody in here have experience/success mic-ing up a loud cab for bass? My 800w Magellan head has a certain type of mojo I'm just not getting from direct in with the same head + cabinet sim. I'm aware that this could be the standing in front of loud rig/louder=better effect.

DI is crazy convient for recording and monitoring purposes but I can't shake the feeling the I could get a crazy awesome sound with my current gear but with a much more time consuming and expensive process. Maybe it would make very little difference and I could save myself the trouble, I'm not sure.

Just mainly looking for input from those of you that have done this, especially in a heavier context. I would need two main tones, fairly compressed and distorted and phat, low and clear.

Mic'ing my rig live is complex, given 3 crossovers involved and I generally discourage it. If it does happen, I suggest the sound engineer place two mics and also use my DI tone; that way they place something mid/high friendly about 8 inches to 1' in front of my top cab placed between the mid speaker and top woofer. On my lower cabinet, a close-mic with a bass friendly something like a kick mic. Use the DI tone as the 'base' tone and add the two other in as color. If it's only one mic, its up for the mid/top-woofer, and that mixed in with the DI as the main signal.

 

[SemiDriven]

Their touch takes a little getting used to, but the adjustment was probably more surprising going back to uncoated. I remember first putting them on and sliding around like a lunatic, causing myself a surprising amount of pain. I liked sliding on them, but had to watch the heat level.

I liked the Black Beauties for the aesthetics (on a SR505). Like you, I found them a bit too "grippy" for sliding around (= heat on the hands!).

Sounded great though.

Also, when the coating wore off in certain spots, I used a black sharpie to "freshen" them up. Almost as good as new although my fingers turned a little blackish.

 

[Jeff Roller]

Payson Black Daggers.....just because this bass needed them.
I personally prefer the sound of non coated strings, but as someone mentioned before me, I'm vain!

 

[DingwallDingus]

Payson Black Daggers.....just because this bass needed them.
I personally prefer the sound of non coated strings, but as someone mentioned before me, I'm vain!
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Jealous of the one piece bridge, it looks sweet. I am not a huge fan of coated strings for bass, I love elixir strings on acoustic guitar but have never liked them very much on bass at all.

Did you treat the neck on your bass? It looks super yellow in that pic which is awesome.

 

[Jeff Roller]

Jealous of the one piece bridge, it looks sweet. I am not a huge fan of coated strings for bass, I love elixir strings on acoustic guitar but have never liked them very much on bass at all.

Did you treat the neck on your bass? It looks super yellow in that pic which is awesome.

Pat Wilkins painted the neck to match the headstock and body. The bridge is a discontinued Payson.