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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by FroggyOne2, Jan 7, 2008.
It was poorly worded
Had an idea today: what if Dingwall used a zero fret, and did away with the nut entirely? Instead of a nut, use the single “string trees” for all the strings like those from their NG-6’s that are on the EADG strings, but move them just a little closer to the zero fret. That would eliminate the finger scrape incurred during 1st fret fingering on the low string(s) due to the nut at high string, yes?
That would also greatly simplify switching to extended ranges like F#. They could even sell special sized trees to fit the larger strings and make $$$ off it, while saving money from not having the nut. Just a thought...
but the nut retains the strings in an exact, precise position. You could have all kinds of issue if the strings were left to slide free Accross the zero fret however minimal that may be.
I’d say test it on a prototype
Just thinking... you have a similar issue with .095’s on a nut cut for .110’s don’t you?
Exactly. That’s why people get alternate nuts made for different gauges of strings.
I hear what your saying, and there maybe be some kind of new idea you can get at but I don’t think your quite there yet. Ie, maybe the “Zero fret” is notched out for the strings..... but then your just back to a nut.
at that then your potentially increasing price points on “entry level” dingwalls.
I dunno? I’m just rolling with you on this
I’m being a bit selfish thinking along these lines because I like extended range, and aside from that, I’d like a 7 string.
Setup for BEAD already with extra Dingwall nut in case you want to change it. I know there’s folks on both sides of the Dingwall and Spector clubs, hoping someone here wants a Dingwall d roc ready to ship. Then I can balance out the collection on the other side. Reasonable Offers welcome.
For Sale/Trade - Dingwall D Roc Standard with free goodies! Trade for Spector?
My guess is that the string would wear the zero fret quickly if held from that distance but this is a very cool idea. Cool enough to try on a prototype. Thanks
Would you be able to make that zero fret from a harder metal to solve that issue?
That's what I was wondering. Though different metals or fret sizes might impart particular tones, I guess it would be similar to a nut. However much that comes into play.
It seems to me that side-to-side movement of the strings would be minimal. Much less than picking hard near a regular bent-plate bridge. Been there, done that.
I know a guy fabricating in titanium and a variety of other rare metals.
There has to be a headless Dingwall in the works, right?
Kiesel ran into this issue on their early Vader guitars. Even with stainless steel frets, the string would wear a small dent or notch into the zero fret that would make noise when the open string was played.
But if I remember correctly, this was happening on the unwound strings. Wound bass strings might take much longer to wear the zero fret to the point that it would become noisy.
What you said about someone liking the Dingwall in a 4 string only model, thats me and my 4 string Combustion, wouldnt have it any other way. So now that your playing yours and noticed little differences here and there, have you noticed anything, anything at all when you 1st went to play the G# or A on the G-String? You know, with the angle of the 1st fret there and the angle of the nut. I still have a little trouble fretting that G#/1st fret sometimes, so I try to avoid it and grab that note 6th fret D string.
No, I haven't had any issues with that particular note/fret/string. I have had issues like when I was playing the intro diddy in "Money". The B power chord shape was a bit more of a stretch. Also, playing up around 9-12th position. Feels weird sometimes, almost as if the fretboard is curved or something.
All Sandberg basses come with zero fret and it is always thicker/higher than the other frets and always has little filed groves in it to settle the strings making it more like a metal nut.
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