Dingwall Owners Club

[Katoosie]

I’ve got the Neural DSP plug-in, but I haven’t gotten comfortable using it. It’s fairly cpu heavy in real time (small buffer). Some of the presets have been pretty good. I seem to get lost trying to make the cab sim work with mic selection and placement.

I also use Ugritone IR. Some are better than others. They’re mostly guitar focused.

I think I downloaded the Does it Doom free IR pack too, but haven’t spent much time with it.

I recently started going through Guitar Rig 5 again. There’s decent presets in that VST. The current GR6 version adds some extra bass options and might be worth a look.

I got the Audio Assault stuff from them.
Duality Bass amp sim? Pretty straightforward. Got some cabinet IRs as well. If you ever want some of this stuff just lemme know, I can send you some of the stuff that doesn't require the license to run.

It was cheap as all hell so I also got some guitar amps for my SO.

I also found the Parallax stuff from Neural DSP but it has that heavily baked in sound from Darkglass, I think I want to stay the heck away from that because it seems kind of limiting. There is also the Aurora Mammoth which sounds killer but you gotta fork out 80 dollars for it so I haven't gotten it... yet.

And, of course, the Bassforge Hellraiser for that super klank for about 40 dollars but again, I haven't gotten it... yet.

 

[Nuage420]

I have two Dingwalls, one with 3 FDVs and the other with 3 P-Tones. I guess the P-Tones in the single shell are different than the P-Tone P bass pickup, but with my basses the P-Tones and far more aggressive.

I agree! I had 2 SF2s and a P-Tone in mine. Swapped them or 3x FDV and like it a lot better

I put the P tone in the middle position and changed the selector so I can get middle solo and it's pretty rowdy. The SF2s seem super clean.

I get neck/neck, middle/middle/all 3

 

[RevOgre]

I put the P tone in the middle position and changed the selector so I can get middle solo and it's pretty rowdy. The SF2s seem super clean.

I get neck/neck, middle/middle/all 3

I would 100% try that

 

[Nuage420]

I would 100% try that

I want to swap the Droc switch out for what's in the ABZ. I really don't like the all in. Neck solo, middle solo, jazz, and MM would be perfect

 

[Nuage420]

@RevOgre the neck middle reminds me of a stingray with everything boosted

 

[AB Nate]

I want to swap the Droc switch out for what's in the ABZ. I really don't like the all in. Neck solo, middle solo, jazz, and MM would be perfect

Mo can make you a custom 4 way switch. Most people are getting custom 6 ways including myself but I did consider getting a customer 4 way to really simply the options. It may fit better in a droc as well. The 6 ways are super beefy and require some modding I think to fit in a droc.

 

[RevOgre]

@RevOgre the neck middle reminds me of a stingray with everything boosted

It's what I spend 90% of my time using now! Which is funny because my other main is a Stingray

 

[Nuage420]

Most people are getting custom 6 ways

I have two of those, but they look too big for the Droc cavity. I only want those 4 options so I think I'll get the custom four way. One of the six ways is for my EHB the other injust grabbed for poops and giggles

 

[GesusBass]

I did a complete rewire of my D Roc. I used the middle pickup 99% of the time so I put a p Tone pickup in that spot. I now have separate volumes for neck and bridge with a push pull pot to turn the middle on/off. It works great for me to be able to blend some neck and bridge with the middle pickup.

 

[SemiDriven]

I usually eyeball about 2-2 1/2” past the tuning post the string is going on. It gives me around 1 wrap

2 1/2" to 3" here.

I still get a little nervous with just one wrap (barely) around the post.

 

[Nuage420]

I did a complete rewire of my D Roc. I used the middle pickup 99% of the time so I put a p Tone pickup in that spot. I now have volume for neck and bridge with a push pull pot to turn the middle on/off. It works great for me to be able to blend some neck and bridge with the middle pickup.

That's really slick!

 

[macribas]

I did a complete rewire of my D Roc. I used the middle pickup 99% of the time so I put a p Tone pickup in that spot. I now have separate volumes for neck and bridge with a push pull pot to turn the middle on/off. It works great for me to be able to blend some neck and bridge with the middle pickup.

Can you share the schematics? I bought a P-Tone and 2 SFIIs to do the same but the P in the middle is way quieter with the stock wiring. Dingwall confirmed it on their end. If I remove the neck pickup from the circuit I get the P to sound good. But then I lose one switch position (all 3 pickups). It becomes a mute.

 

[Derek Williams]

Can you share the schematics? I bought a P-Tone and 2 SFIIs to do the same but the P in the middle is way quieter with the stock wiring. Dingwall confirmed it on their end. If I remove the neck pickup from the circuit I get the P to sound good. But then I lose one switch position (all 3 pickups). It becomes a mute.

That doesn't sound right. If you wire up the neck pickup, the middle solo gets quieter? In the middle solo position the neck pickup should already be disconnected from the circuit by the selector switch. Do you have the middle pickup wired in series?

 

[macribas]

That doesn't sound right. If you wire up the neck pickup, the middle solo gets quieter? In the middle solo position the neck pickup should already be disconnected from the circuit by the selector switch. Do you have the middle pickup wired in series?

Sorry, I should have elaborated. Only the A string (in a D-Roc 5) was quieter than the rest. This is what Dingwall told me:

"Just did the test on the shop bass with your exact layout. We experienced the same problem. This is a first for us, we’ve never actually done that layout before. Seems to be a problem with the polarity not being compatible with the two pickups. We’re going to get in touch with all our dealers to inform them of the incompatibility of the p-tone in the middle position. Thanks for bringing that issue to our attention and apologies for the inconvenience."

 

[XLunacy]

Sorry, I should have elaborated. Only the A string (in a D-Roc 5) was quieter than the rest. This is what Dingwall told me:

"Just did the test on the shop bass with your exact layout. We experienced the same problem. This is a first for us, we’ve never actually done that layout before. Seems to be a problem with the polarity not being compatible with the two pickups. We’re going to get in touch with all our dealers to inform them of the incompatibility of the p-tone in the middle position. Thanks for bringing that issue to our attention and apologies for the inconvenience."

This looks a lot like that issue from way back:
Dingwall Owners Club

When you mentioned "only the A string" I felt it had to be about a phase issue with the split coil design.
I guess at some point they changed the way the pickups are wired, and that you have to be extra careful when mixing pickups from different gens.
Also they seem to imply that it is incompatible in the middle position only, but I don't understand how it would be different in any other position, could be wrong though.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

I have a 3x P-TONE ABZ and the A is not as loud. Actually, the E and B are considerably louder and the A is lower volume but the D and G aren't as loud as the E and B. I contacted Dingwall. We'll see if they have any suggestions.

 

[GesusBass]

Can you share the schematics? I bought a P-Tone and 2 SFIIs to do the same but the P in the middle is way quieter with the stock wiring. Dingwall confirmed it on their end. If I remove the neck pickup from the circuit I get the P to sound good. But then I lose one switch position (all 3 pickups). It becomes a mute.

I don't have the rotary switch anymore. Separate Volume controls for neck and bridge with a on/off push/pull for the middle

 

[Derek Williams]

Sorry, I should have elaborated. Only the A string (in a D-Roc 5) was quieter than the rest. This is what Dingwall told me:

"Just did the test on the shop bass with your exact layout. We experienced the same problem. This is a first for us, we’ve never actually done that layout before. Seems to be a problem with the polarity not being compatible with the two pickups. We’re going to get in touch with all our dealers to inform them of the incompatibility of the p-tone in the middle position. Thanks for bringing that issue to our attention and apologies for the inconvenience."

Ah, that makes more sense. I believe the P Tone is the only Dingwall pickup that has the A string as part of the low side split coil, usually it’s on the high side. Might be causing some weirdness.

edit: I might have the coil sides mixed up, but the P Tone definitely has the A string on the opposite side coil from the FD3.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Ah, that makes more sense. I believe the P Tone is the only Dingwall pickup that has the A string as part of the low side split coil, usually it’s on the high side. Might be causing some weirdness.

On my P-Tone bass, the B and E are the same coil, opposite of my FDV equipped bass.

 

[GBassNorth]

I found this interesting D-Roc 5 video in which the neck and middle pickups were switched (at 3:45 in) with the connecting wires left intact. The effect on the 4-position switch:
Pos Original => Modified
1. Bridge solo => Bridge solo
2. B+M Parallel => B+N Parallel
3. Middle solo => Neck solo
4. B+M Par/Ser N => B+N Par/Ser M

Position 2 would change from a Music Man vibe to more of a jazz vibe and Position 3 would change from middle solo to neck solo. The modified settings seem like good ones and the mod is reversible. This is similar to the July 6th Post #53415 (pg 2671) except that no wiring modifications were needed.

I previously did the wiring mod posted on July 6th and it sounded great but made the switching counterintuitive. (Position 1 was the neck solo, just didn’t seem right). So I went back to the stock wiring (which is series btw) and tried flipping the neck and middle pickups as you mentioned. Sounds equally great* and is much more intuitive (position 1 for bridge, then 2 for B+N, 3 for neck, and 4 all in). At first I was a bit concerned because the Dingwall site notes that the middle pickup magnetic field is opposite the bridge pickup so it’s dissimilar and I assume eliminates any phase cancellation. But to be honest I didn’t notice any before or after the change so all is good.

*the added benefit that I noted is now all four settings are much more balanced in volume levels. The original wiring left position four (all on) drastically louder than the other three settings.