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I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it. Im sure Sheldon had to make concessions to make some $$ but Im going to say he's pretty slick in his work and would not put out preamp he considered inferior out there. This is why I hate TB sometimes. It becomes one mans perceived issue and then its a problem across the board.

What are the issues/complaints?

Your post seems pretty harsh man.

The guy is looking for a very particular tone. The current EQ probably doesn't give him that tone. I'm sure the dudes gonna play his bass, through his rig, and try to find his tone.

If he doesn't, then why shouldn't he mod his bass? Cuz it makes you grumpy?

I for one find my ABZ neck pickup to suck when solo'd. I don't like it. All three other switch positions sound great, but solo neck PU? Lame. My plan is to rewire it in series at some point and see what that does for the tone. If that doesn't do it, I may order a P-tone.
 
I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it. Im sure Sheldon had to make concessions to make some $$ but Im going to say he's pretty slick in his work and would not put out preamp he considered inferior out there. This is why I hate TB sometimes. It becomes one mans perceived issue and then its a problem across the board.

What are the issues/complaints?

Well the stock Combustion is by no means a sub-par intstrument, but I am used to playing basses with more pronounced preamps and hotter outputs (since I plug into a tube amp having a nice hot signal is helpful for that sweet natural drive tone). As the lowest-priced Dingwall model it can be considered a bit of a baseline instrument that can be subsequently expanded upon by those who want a different tone.
 
I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it. Im sure Sheldon had to make concessions to make some $$ but Im going to say he's pretty slick in his work and would not put out preamp he considered inferior out there. This is why I hate TB sometimes. It becomes one mans perceived issue and then its a problem across the board.

What are the issues/complaints?

I don't mean to put words in anyone else's mouth but I'll try explaining the modding mentality in terms that may mean nothing to you. I'm sure there are plenty of people happy with their stock instruments, but some of us are just happy tinkering with something until we perceive it's better. It may be the tone in our head we long for (that may be unattainable). It may be the fun in making something stock more personal. Half of the satisfaction for me comes from the process and the other from the reslults. Most of us are adults on this forum. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to mod anything, and no one needs your permission to do so. It's not a problem across the board unless you make it yours. What bothers me are comments that are condescending toward a "mentality" that is different than yours. Live a little. Not everything is about the money. At least not for everyone.
 
I don't mean to put words in anyone else's mouth but I'll try explaining the modding mentality in terms that may mean nothing to you. Some of us are just happy tinkering with something until we perceive it's better. It may be the tone in our head we long for (that may be unattainable) It may be the fun in making something stock more personal. I'm sure there are plenty of people happy with their stock instruments. Half of the satisfaction comes from the process and the other from the reslults. Most of us are adults on this forum. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to mod anything, and no one needs your permission to do so. It's not a problem across the board unless you nake it yours. What bothers me are comments such as yours that are condescending toward a "mentality" that is different than yours. Live a little. Not everything is about the money.

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I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it.

...This is why I hate TB sometimes. It becomes one mans perceived issue and then its a problem across the board.

What are the issues/complaints?
I realize that it seems a little bizarre, but think you're reading too much into those posts. This is probably the most complaint-free group on TB.

IMO, the biggest problem with modding Dingwalls, is in finding something to do. Sheldon sets the bar so high in terms of thoughtful design and neatness of execution, that it's difficult to find meaningful improvements. It's also hard to install them with anything approaching the same quality level as OEM.

Still, on the Dingwall site as well as here, Sheldon actively supports careful customization of his instruments, both in the order process for a new bass, and in fine-tuning the finished product. I have seen his team bend over backwards to source out-of-production materials in order to offer specific pickguard colours, etc.

He also seems to keep an eye on successful modding projects, and incorporate user input into new models like the ABXXX.

CNC manufacture allows him to offer DIY projects that fit like a glove. Fretless wenge neck, anyone?

Perhaps that is what gives him the confidence to freely offer advice and schematics for things like parallel-to-series pickup wiring changes, parts for SJ-to-SPJ conversion, and developments like his $10 pickup mod for early Combustions.

Speaking of which, the bulk of the modding action seems to happen with the Combustion. Yes, it's a $1,000+ bass, but it's the bottom rung of a ladder that extends into the thou$and$.

The basic carcass has many of the engineering advantages of the more expensive models, and as such, it's both a logical entry point into the family, and an affordable platform for experimentation. Sheldon even offers his own "mod kits" in the form of pickup upgrades.

Also, Sheldon wisely chose the EMG BTC as the preamp for the Combustion. It's affordable, and hi-fi enough to not mask the essential goodness of the rest of the instrument.

Still, it's relatively neutral. This leaves the door wide open for people to install a Glock for surgical purity and glassy highs, or any number of other specific flavours.
 
Or, for another take on 'modding'...I took one of Sheldon's 'high end' basses and then had someone, one of the best in the business mod the hell out of it. Who did the work? Sheldon Dingwall. I don't think that the additional custom work that was done in anyway 'degrades' the public perception of stock instruments coming out of the shop.

Neither does Bocete's Combustion. For people who already own Dingwall basses, the Combustion provides a fairly cost effective instrument for those who do want to 'play around' with a Dingwall's specs without doing so on a $X000 instrument. For players who already know what the Afterburner, Zebra or Prima series quality, sound, and feel is like and don't like compromises, picking up the Combustion and doing so sounds like a compliment rather than an insult.
 
I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it. Im sure Sheldon had to make concessions to make some $$ but Im going to say he's pretty slick in his work and would not put out preamp he considered inferior out there. This is why I hate TB sometimes. It becomes one mans perceived issue and then its a problem across the board.

What are the issues/complaints?

Fair point actually. I do feel that people are sometimes too eager to change stuff for no good reason. I've been guilty of this myself.

But you know, while the Combustion is an excellent bass, what I wanted was more along the lines of a Dingwall Z2. See Link Removed? That one costs about 4-6 times as much as a Combustion (though less used). A Combustion with that pickup arrangement is just about to be released as we speak and wasn't available years ago when I was looking for one. So I modded my Combustion to get it as close to that as possible.

It's like people buying an SX, swapping some electronics and hardware in order to getting something close to a Fender. An actual Fender is just a ton more expensive. This is the same thing but on a bigger scale; I've spent less than $2000 to buy and mod a Combustion and got me a stellar bass that, while not the $6000 bass I actually wanted, is more than good enough. The other modder wants a modern sounding bass; but an FD-3 equipped Z1 is expensive. Even ABs are significantly more expensive than the Combustion. Modding a cheaper but similar bass and getting something close enough is a way to save money.

Not to mention that it's fun, lets you play with the formula of the manufacturer in different ways (I decided to use a very specifically sounding preamp, as opposed to very neutral sounding preamps Sheldon prefers) and you end up getting something that's truly yours.
 
Interesting commentary.

I think manufacturer plays a huge role in terms of how mods are viewed.

The humble P, as an example, is probably the most modded bass to ever be produced. So much so that when I told everyone that my 63 AVRI P was perfect (yes, including the pick ups), they all but called me a liar as everyone knows that Fender hasn't made a decent pick up since Ms. Ybarra retired her winding bench.

I am blessed in that I am able to purchase the Dingwalls of my choice, within my personal financial reason. That said, if for any reason life got in the way, and I was forced to have a hardship sale, I would almost guarantee that I would buy a Combustion.

Since I am only familiar with the Super series, I have to use it as an example. The AB owners can adjust my math.

You can own 2 Combustions for the price of an SP or SJ standard. Let's call it a 1300.00 difference, give or take.

Returning to my hardship example above, I would easily be able to embrace owning a Combustion and upgrading/change tone via electronics to my personal taste. And I could do so with top of the line Dingwall OEM components of my choice, and still potentially save hundreds.

So, if I wasn't madly in love with the Combustion's tone, I would wrench on it in a heartbeat in order to continue to play a Ding at a fraction of my former investment.

This seems no different to me than flinging after market pick ups or electronics in a Fender P or J. It's not like someone is sawing on a Prima Artist in order to get some Gibson Mudbuckers installed.

So I say mod away. With the original designer constantly offering advice, you'll likely end up with one of the nicest basses in feel and tone, a few hundred above the cost of a big box manufacturer's most recent hot mess.
 
Some of us just like to tinker. I wouldn't waste time sticking hundreds of dollars worth of parts into a MIM Fender, but there a thousands of Talkbass threads about doing exactly that. As always: YMMV. I've got an '76 aluminum Kramer 450B that I've modded extensively over the past thirty years. It would be worth more now if I'd left it dead stock, but I've enjoyed the ride.

On my Dingwalls, I've messed around with the wiring on my pickups, replaced pickups, added Lumilay dots, experimented with dozens of string sets and spent hours fiddling with setups. I find it both fun and rewarding. I get a massive charge from the Luminlay dots every time I walk into a dark space. $35 bucks for a ton of fun! The P tone pups are a great example of Dingwall listening to customers and responding with a product.

As much as I loved everything about my AB-1 five string, the sound wasn't doing it for me. The P tone made it a keeper. If Sheldon hadn't produced a pup that was a drop in fit, I wouldn't have hesitated to get out the router and fit something else in there.
 
I still dont understand the mentality behind buying a $1000+ bass and then talking about or encouraging folks to begin modding it.

That's an easy one - most of us logged on this site to Talk Bass. :) When there are options, people will opt for them. It's cool that there are so many custom/aftermarket components available for us to play with now. When the Combustion was just coming out, Sheldon pointed out that certain Nordstrand pickups would drop right in. He realizes that 'one size does not fit all'. My Super P is getting modded right off the bat. One option that Dingwall does not offer is a black abalone pickguard which happens to be one of my favorites with sonic blue. :cool:
 
It hadn't occurred to me before Sheldon pointed it out, how much easier and quicker it will be to do a matching headstock finish now that the tuners are not recessed. Time savings = money savings. Go Sheldon! :cool:


I mentioned this before, but the price of a matching headstock surprised me... not in the nice way though. What was it before the change?
 
I mentioned this before, but the price of a matching headstock surprised me... not in the nice way though. What was it before the change?

When I first looked at doing a matched headstock finish, I realized for the price I could buy an additional mass-production level bass. I got it anyway, because you only live once. :)
 
When I first looked at doing a matched headstock finish, I realized for the price I could buy an additional mass-production level bass. I got it anyway, because you only live once. :)


Right, I had already decided I wanted the matching headstock so it didn't stop me from getting it. But the price for the option was double the quote I got a year ago. I'm sure it will be great, just expressing my surprise.
 
I recently got a Super P5 just like this one. I'm loving everything about it but am wondering if I should trade for one with a maple fretboard for extra punch. Let me know if you have one you'd consider trading.

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Aren't the fretboards pau ferro (or morado) on the SP5's? If that's the case, I think it's already a fairly hard wood and am not sure switching to a maple board would make drastic changes. Unless you prefer the aesthetics of maple.