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There's no doubt a difference as you step through the models (I hesitate to say "up", as the ABs are extremely capable for being the "low" Canadian builds).

Whether the differences are meaningful, they are impossible to say "better"... think of it like: "is a P neck or a J neck better"? Well, neither, until you append "... for me" to the end of that statement.

For me, the Z body and neck are very much worth the price. I'm more comfortable, personally capable, and just happier on that platform. I can play all of my repertoire on a Combustion, too - it won't feel as good to me, and I may not perform as well because I'm not "feeling it" as much as I do my Zs. I can even say the same for my three ABs.

The difference between my Prima and my Zs is much smaller. I like the Prima for what it represents -- which is the pinnacle of someone at Dingwall putting eyes on very select pieces of wood, thinking through every tiny detail and how the whole system of the instrument functions and looks together. It's akin to a functional cadenza really. Absolutely epic in every way. You're sitting audience to Paganini playing his own compositions, to continue the analogy :D

The Zs slot it just below that, and in a twist that may not make sense at first, this (seems to be, anyway. I'm sure @bassrest or another Dingwall rep can correct me) is where you, the buyer, have _more_ options to build to your spec than a Prima. But of course, some of the real standout features of the Prima are offlimits here.

Then the various ABs fall in line just behind that. The differentiation between AB and Z is more in the overall platform - the shape, the profiles, and so on - than the individual options. From a build/spec sheet you can see these differences. You can go wild with an AB and have a piece of art as well, just in the "AB Platform" design language instead of the Z.

Then of course the imports. Still, of course, very capable and proven instruments in their own regard, and very much more accessible (in terms of price and time) to more people, which is an important role to fill.

So, it's kind of impossible to say that, yeah, a Z is going to be "better" than an NG3 or a D-Roc.
What's important to you? What does "quality" mean to you? I often find folks use that word to mean "weight" - interestingly either they think heavier = quality, or lighter = quality, which always makes me chuckle a bit :). Others say quality is the tuners and hardware, which of course on the imports are going to meet a certain price point which may be lower than Canadian ones. Others still insist things like neck pocket gap and having counter sunk covers is "quality".

I'd start by more clearly figuing out what you need out of the instrument, what makes something "quality" to you, and what things are important to you. If price is your first and primary driver, I think you'll find it pretty difficult to really say that the Canadian builds are going to be "better quality" enough for you to go for one. If a more nuanced and deliberate, not-price, set of things are higher on your list of needs, then it makes way more sense.

All that said, no one should feel bad, at all, about "only" playing an import. They're, IMO, some of the best instruments at the price point that aren't NA manufactured. They're played by countless bass players from barely weekend hobbyists to international touring acts. If it's good enough for all of them, they're good enough for anyone.
 
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There's no doubt a difference as you step through the models (I hesitate to say "up", as the ABs are extremely capable for being the "low" Canadian builds).

Whether the differences are meaningful, they are impossible to say "better"... think of it like: "is a P neck or a J neck better"? Well, neither, until you append "... for me" to the end of that statement.

For me, the Z body and neck are very much worth the price. I'm more comfortable, personally capable, and just happier on that platform. I can play all of my repertoire on a Combustion, too - it won't feel as good to me, and I may not perform as well because I'm not "feeling it" as much as I do my Zs. I can even say the same for my three ABs.

The difference between my Prima and my Zs is much smaller. I like the Prima for what it represents -- which is the pinnacle of someone at Dingwall putting eyes on very select pieces of wood, thinking through every tiny detail and how the whole system of the instrument functions and looks together. It's akin to a functional cadenza really. Absolutely epic in every way. You're sitting audience to Paganini playing his own compositions, to continue the analogy :D

The Zs slot it just below that, and in a twist that may not make sense at first, this (seems to be, anyway. I'm sure @bassrest or another Dingwall rep can correct me) is where you, the buyer, have _more_ options to build to your spec than a Prima. But of course, some of the real standout features of the Prima are offlimits here.

Then the various ABs fall in line just behind that. The differentiation between AB and Z is more in the overall platform - the shape, the profiles, and so on - than the individual options. From a build/spec sheet you can see these differences. You can go wild with an AB and have a piece of art as well, just in the "AB Platform" design language instead of the Z.

Then of course the imports. Still, of course, very capable and proven instruments in their own regard, and very much more accessible (in terms of price and time) to more people, which is an important role to fill.

So, it's kind of impossible to say that, yeah, a Z is going to be "better" than an NG3 or a D-Roc.
What's important to you? What does "quality" mean to you? I often find folks use that word to mean "weight" - interestingly either they think heavier = quality, or lighter = quality, which always makes me chuckle a bit :). Others say quality is the tuners and hardware, which of course on the imports are going to meet a certain price point which may be lower than Canadian ones. Others still insist things like neck pocket gap and having counter sunk covers is "quality".

I'd start by more clearly figuing out what you need out of the instrument, what makes something "quality" to you, and what things are important to you. If price is your first and primary driver, I think you'll find it pretty difficult to really say that the Canadian builds are going to be "better quality" enough for you to go for one. If a more nuanced and deliberate, not-price, set of things are higher on your list of needs, then it makes way more sense.

All that said, no one should feel bad, at all, about "only" playing an import. They're, IMO, some of the best instruments at the price point that aren't NA manufactured. They're played by countless bass players from barely weekend hobbyists to international touring acts. If it's good enough for all of them, they're good enough for anyone.
All my current basses are Korean or Indonesian. I have no problem playing imports, in fact my sterling is my main squeeze.

What I need to do is get my but down to Chicago music ex and play a few. That being said, any Dingwall off the boat is priced higher than some competitors.

I’m probably in the market for a combustion.
 
If you were local I'd just have you over to play what I have here (3 ABs, two Zs, Prima) 🤣 I doubt anyone has Canadian ones on the floor to play, unless they happen to have a used/consignment there. Surely there's other Dingwall players near ya though who'll let ya ape around on theirs ;)
 
If you were local I'd just have you over to play what I have here (3 ABs, two Zs, Prima) 🤣 I doubt anyone has Canadian ones on the floor to play, unless they happen to have a used/consignment there. Surely there's other Dingwall players near ya though who'll let ya ape around on theirs ;)
Their isn’t any Canadian options for sale in Calgary and maybe Alberta at this time but I am privy to know there are a couple on the books for Calgary main.

… unless private of course. I am gonna be changing things up here soon and that may lead to a sale but odds are that may be to one of you before a local sale. lol.

Selling local is too dangerous. Some of them end up coming back even though I know I don’t need it. It’s kinda like closing your doors to one of your kids. 🤦‍♂️

Not local but close enough to Stoon.
 
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Their isn’t any Canadian options for sale in Calgary and maybe Alberta at this time but I am privy to know there are a couple on the books for Calgary main.

… unless private of course. I am gonna be changing things up here soon and that may lead to a sale but odds are that may be to one of you before a local sale. lol.

Selling local is too dangerous. Some of them end up coming back even though I know I don’t need it. It’s kinda like closing your doors to one of your kids. 🤦‍♂️

Not local but close enough to Stoon.
I'm hoping I'm near the top of your "To DM" list for whatever you're thinking.
 
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I was just telling my wife before loggin on how much my bike is like a dingwall.

My old bike was super rad ( maybe an older combustion) but just got of it and it is like riding a fricken dingwall. It’s sick. I love my bike and I would compare it to one of my Zs.

And it’s fast AF!!! lol. Like a Z neck.

First night I’ve made that similarity I guess.
I'm hoping I'm near the top of your "To DM" list for whatever you're thinking.
lol. I don’t think they’ll float your boat. I haven’t exactly figured out what may go but also, it will depend how I receive what’s inbound. Either ABZ, SJ, Bongo or the inbound Spector will have to be rehomed.


Also, I agree with what you said. I’ve had some super killer Production models, combustions and NGs. Super killer. Super super killer… I’ve had a hard time not loving just about any dingwall I have played.

No matter what I play though, coming back to one of my Z 6strings is always the apex of any instrument I have laid hands on and nothing has felt as amazingly, organically perfect in my hands.
 
A base model Z, at the time I ordered mine, was about double the cost of the single NG3 I had at the time (Z and NG3 both 6-strings). I’d say the functional choices, the ones that have real or at least the most plausible effects on sound and playability, were the S/P switches, the luminlay side dots, and the wenge neck. Every other decision I made was aesthetic (speedo inlays in matching colored wood, X-top, the finish, the Luminlay headstock D…) and those added around 3k more. Those things made it the most beautiful object I own, and I don’t begrudge any of those expenditures. This was a time when I wanted my first, maybe only, Canadian Dingwall to be everything I could want it to be. That’s out of my system, and now I’m looking at the possibility of another Canadian in the next couple years, I feel the flexibility to spec something a bit more financially restrained, but with all the sound and playability that I learned to expect from a Canadian build.
 
So, I will still be traveling starting in a few months but the scope and intensity of travel has relaxed. I will have a nice setup for the situation.

I have really been enjoying the Quad Cortex/Dingwall combo. I have had Helix Floor several years ago (with different basses) but I went back to a tube amp and a pedalboard. Maybe I will do the same but I think I will be happy with the QC for a long time. I realized what I like best about my Z through an Ampeg head is straight up the sound of the Z.
I think a lot of my playing is going to be done through studio monitors and that is something that I will be looking to upgrade. I am thinking that I will go with the newest version of Yamaha HS-8s and maybe add the sub. They seem to have a solid frequency range and are well rated. I won’t be needing too much volume. Is anyone else using monitors for practice/jamming at home?
 
You guys are convincing me to go Z with my custom build slot. I think now instead of "AB vs Z," as I previously pondered, I am now in "SJ vs Z" mode. Leaning towards Z though for that sweet 37" B (I love the B on my Combustion). Luckily I still have 18-24 months to decide
Is that how the ordering is working for the Canadian basses? You essentially reserve a production slot and then the specifics of the bass can be changed up to whatever date it enters production?
 
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You guys are convincing me to go Z with my custom build slot. I think now instead of "AB vs Z," as I previously pondered, I am now in "SJ vs Z" mode. Leaning towards Z though for that sweet 37" B (I love the B on my Combustion). Luckily I still have 18-24 months to decide
I’m waiting on the production Super to hit, so I can see how well I like the whole setup, before I consider a Canadian Super.

Right now, and at this point I haven’t contacted anyone for a build slot, nor will I for a while yet, I’m mostly thinking ABZ or AB II.
 
Is that how the ordering is working for the Canadian basses? You essentially reserve a production slot and then the specifics of the bass can be changed up to whatever date it enters production?
Yes. Although I worked out what my build options were going to be, well ahead of time, you basically have until right before your slot comes up for them to start building. Even having everything nailed down, I still added last minute Luminlay side dots when JFB and I went over everything on the phone, when my turn in line came. And if an issue crops up, you’ll be contacted via your dealer very quickly. My Z body had some mineral stain lines that weren’t revealed until the body (with X-top already in place) was cut. Dingwall contacted JFB, since they would not allow a wood blemish like that to show on a custom bass, and we discussed options. That’s why my purple to turquoise reverse burst doesn’t have turquoise all the way around the back, and has a hard line transition to trans purple at the sides and back. The alternative was to pick a different X-top and start the build over. As it happens, I like how it turned out.
 
I can see myself getting an ABII someday, when i have all Ritters i need.
The hardest part of getting an AB II for me would be resisting the temptation to get a beautiful walnut top on it, and instead going for the ridiculously bright green I love so much, like so:

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You could get.... _two_ AB2s. :)
Sadly, I am not yet in a position to go THAT nuts. Too much going on with the move.

That said, my AB II plans, over an extended period, would probably go.

1. Absurdly bright green AB II fretless with green luminlay segmented lines, as well as everywhere else I can put luminlay.

2. Fretted AB II love letter to beautifully grained walnut.

So, it’s not like I haven’t thought about multiples. It’s just that, realistically, a second would be a long way down the road, indeed.
 
Less non-Dingwall, more Dingwall photos please :D Slight throwback to one I owned for a bit, but ended up moving along from. These were a cool release. Just not quite cool enough to keep around with all my others... and more or less was the nail in the coffin that helped me realize maple necks just aren't my thing (how they feel).
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Wow, tastes are different :)

But i know a lot of people that don't like my Ritters either :)

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I think the top, natural wood Ritter is beautiful. I very much like the “base” color of the other one, but as I’ve said in here before, aside from one or two rare exceptions, when it comes to basses:

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Those exceptions are black, a single red, and a couple natural wood finishes, of which I present the reason I first fell in love with natural walnut:

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